Talk:Kingdom of Yemen

Requested move 23 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. I see a consensus to move. Opposer cites no policy to backup their arguments. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 06:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen → Kingdom of Yemen – per WP:COMMONNAME; see ngrams [1] Abo Yemen✉ 13:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Abo Yemen✉ 13:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. There have been many monarchies in what is now Yemen. The adjective is a disambiguator. —Sesel (talk) 02:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The Kingdom of Yemen page is a redirect to this article + even if there are any other monarchies in what is now Yemen (which is wrong because none of them had the name "Yemen") this has to be the most popular one Abo Yemen✉ 12:36, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

And "North Yemen" is more common than either of them. [2] 71.239.86.150 (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

North Yemen usually refers to the Yemen Arab Republic and not the kingdom of yemen as there wasn't a south yemen in the kingdom's lifespan (except for it's final 3 years that were spent in a war with the republicans) for a north to even exist Abo Yemen✉ 15:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, Yemen had numerous kingdoms in its lifespan, and this one is the Mutawakkilite kingdom of Yemen. 3rbFelix (talk) 14:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I am pretty sure none of them had the name Yemen Abo Yemen✉ 14:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

There were indeed, take a look at the Yemeni Zaidi State 3rbFelix (talk) 16:37, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@3rbFelix its wp:commonname is the Yemeni Zaidi State and not the kingdom of yemen. Also some might argue that the yemeni zaidi state IS itself the mutawakilite kingdom of yemen Abo Yemen✉ 19:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hm, true, the Yemeni Zaidi state’s accession of Imams continued from then until the end of the Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen. So, technically, this does make the Mutawakkilite Kingdom a continuation of the Yemeni Zaidi state. It possibly was the only monarchy that used the region’s name as a part of its name. 3rbFelix (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support. While there have been various historical monarchies in Yemen, this appears to be the only one to have used the "Kingdom of Yemen" title – most pre-Ottoman ones appear to have gone by dynastic names. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Most, not all. Any kingdom should be called by its official name, and in this case, The Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen. 3rbFelix (talk) 15:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  see Wikipedia:COMMONNAME Abo Yemen✉ 17:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  Well if we bring up common names, people most of the times bring up the "Imamate of Yemen" far more than the "Kingdom of Yemen" in both English and Arabic. 3rbFelix (talk) 22:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

  Kingdom of Yemen has always been more popular [3]. (We don't care about the Arabic name in the English wikipedia) Abo Yemen✉ 04:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom and WP:CONCISE, WP:COMMONNAME etc. Kingdom of Yemen already redirects here, and I don't even see a hatnote which would suggest other targets are necessary to disambiguate against.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Map

@3rbFelix there is no reason for us to use that map; doesn't mean another article does something then we should copy it, and while we're on the topic of the map of the ottoman empire, there are 5 other maps and editors there have had many discussions about it there for their own reasons that we can't just copy. Plus there is no mos that i am aware of that says anything about the main map; hence why I decided that a professionally made map is better than a map of the Yemen Arab Republic Abo Yemen✉ 13:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I know this problem was solved, but just for clarification, this isn’t just the map of the Yemen Arab Republic, look at this official stamp by the Mutawakkilite kingdom of Yemen, https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yemen-kingdom-B26.jpg 3rbFelix (talk) 14:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

The only difference between the maps of the two states is the control of the island of Perim Abo Yemen✉ 14:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Flag

@Abo Yemen, please see File:CLR9iwaUwAE9d4r.jpg, and File:Yemen-China agreemant.jpg. |MK| 📝 15:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

YK i don't mind returning the old flag as long as the current variant is added to the flag gallery below Abo Yemen✉ 15:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I don’t got a problem with that, it was used in postage stamps and therefore it makes sense for it to be added to the gallery, it’s just I think that we should make the main flag the one that was used more as an actual flag. |MK| 📝 15:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Plus i think the thicker stars version looks better (replying to your edit summary now) Abo Yemen✉ 15:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, I guess people have different tastes (I was about to delete my opinion but pressed enter instead of backspace). |MK| 📝 15:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Clarification to my revert of a revert

Just reverting everything back to the end of last year without adding suitable templates to the parts that needed changes is not the way to go, as it was stated that a huge share of the article was incomprehensible, which was certainly not the case.

Saying that the article needs copy editing would make much more sense. As I’ve also said in my edit summary, the only part that was actually kind of incomprehensible was the administrative divisions sub-section of the politics section. |MK| 📝 17:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

A pretty huge amount of it is littered with issues, the person that reverted was being kind. There's quite a few key sentences of paragraphs that aren't comprehensible, at all. The voice and tone of some of it is unfit for a encyclopedia, and the quality throughout is pretty bad. 2601:280:C083:29A0:8951:EDD1:583D:A21E (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

How about trying to fix these issues instead of trying to revert it to an old version that gives no useful information at all? Abo Yemen✉ 08:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)