Talk:Kuki-Chin languages

when established

Removed the new claim that it was established by Benedict (Benedict, Paul K. (1972), Matisoff, J. A., ed., Sino-Tibetan: A conspectus, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-0-521-08175-7.) That contradicts our claim that the internal structure hasn't changed much in a century. — kwami (talk) 04:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Whistled?

The article is categorized as whistled language, but there's no information about this in it. We should remove it. --95.120.56.3 (talk) 23:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

agreed Dan ☺ 14:10, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Lai languages as Central Kukish

The evidence that the Lai languages are co-terminus with the term Central Kukish languages, is that both list virtually the same languages.

• Central: Mizo (Lushai), Bawm (Banjogi), Hmar, Hakha (Lai Pawi); maybe Ngawn, Tawr, Pangkhua
• Lai: Mizo, Hakha-Chin (aka Lai Pawi), Bawm, Falam Lai/Zahau, better known as Laiţawng, Senthang, and the Zokhua dialect of Hakha spoken in Zokhua village.

--Bejnar (talk) 03:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Lai is an ethnic classification, not a linguistic one. If you were to remove Falam (Northern Kukish) and Senthang (Maraic) from Lai, and add Hmar, then they would be congruent, but as it is they's only a 60% overlap. Lai is defined by whether the people consider themselves to be Lai, not on any objective criterion. At least, that's my (perhaps ignorant) reading of the situation. — kwami (talk) 05:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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kuki and Naga

Naga is separate identity of Naga nation. Therefore Naga and Like are of different identity. Modar (talk) 03:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Of course they are different. No one is saying that they are the same ethnic group, since this is a linguistic grouping. Linguistics should not be conflated with nationalism and politics. Same goes for Sino-Tibetan being a valid linguistic grouping, despite the Chinese government and Dalai Lama not being on good terms with each other. Lingnanhua (talk) 08:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

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Kukish languages → Kuki-Chin languages – Kuki-Chin is the name used by most scholars, including Matisoff, Peterson, VanBik, and many others. Kukish is only used by van Driem. This name leaves out the Chin of Myanmar. — Stevey7788 (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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Mizo is also left out Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Kuki-Chin-Mizo language

Kuki is a word from Bengali , which means Savage or wild and Chin is a Burmese word for those who carry baskets in a discrimatory manner . The term Mizo is the only word used most commonly by the people to identify themselves which is a native term for Highlanders. Don't you think it's wrong to put a foreign word to identify a certain people eg - Native Americans never called themselves Red Indians , it was the foreigners who named them. Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 18:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Puipuianunuibuangpuia1: you may be correct but you aren't using sources. So far as Native Americans go, an awful lot of them call themselves and their tribes Indians. And we use the most common word in reliable English language sources. Doug Weller talk 15:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

That's in their case and what do u even expect when u call someone the same name again and again .They will surely response to it sooner or later. Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 18:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

So u mean to be correct i need sources Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Mr doug weller is it d Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 16:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Do u see my reply

Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Puipuianunuibuangpuia1: Please provide WP:reliable sources. You have been advised so too in your talk page. –Austronesier (talk) 19:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

And while we're at it, please provide a source that Kuki means "wild" in Bengali. According to Tohring (2010), the origin of the ethnic term is not known[1]. And for what it's worth, Chinese people call themselves Han, but not object to referred to as "Chinese" in English; the same holds for the Hungarians (Magyarok), Germans (Deutsche) and many others. So not using a native term is common and by no means discriminating. If the terms Kuki and Chin are considered pejorative, then again: please provide a reliable source for such a claim. –Austronesier (talk) 09:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

My intention isnt to cast out these words but just to add the word mizo with them (mizo kuki chin). And one thing u dont get everything on internet to rely on. Have u heard that divide and rule policy used by the brits during their rule.maybe they used kuki and many names to identify and divide the a people of the same ancestry .Sir (for respect) many articles are censored by government and some even block(ya everybody knows) . Wanna know a funny thing ,we still havent figured out our complete origin and where we came from (some say they may know ) so Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 12:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Our origin our name is a very sensitive issue if chinese are happy am happy for them too but this is way different . our part of india is not that developed those use phone dont go much for edutional purpose ,not all but many,so they have seen it yet but they did sure something will happen (bad things ok) . Called a mizo kuki u will know for yourself . Mentioning one mans claim (tohring) doesnt proof u right . One thing how did u got the right to post an article about kuki mizo.. whatever without their approvel . Dont say this dosnt make sense

Ok let me sum up ok at least isnt there a way to add mizo word hah . see u later. Have a nice day Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Puipuianunuibuangpuia1: The way is to provide a WP:reliable source. This is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, but this requires sticking to the rules and standards of this project. It is not censored, so everybody can add and create content that meets the principles of WP:verifiability and WP:notability; this of course also means that no one has ask for anyone's permission to "post an article about kuki mizo" (but btw, this article is about a language group called "Kuki-Chin languages", so not quite the same thing). –Austronesier (talk) 13:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Ya i said so our culture language languages group language family tradition everything bout us this isnt different its the same Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 14:12, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

So is mentioning the name of a book enough for source Puipuianunuibuangpuia1 (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Puipuianunuibuangpuia1: Title, author, year, publisher, page number. Book or journal. Please check Wikipedia:Citing sources. And it should be a source about the language group. And please not just one, because we already have three reliable sources from linguists which support "Kuki-Chin languages". –Austronesier (talk) 14:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Puipuianunuibuangpuia1: There is no evidence of Kuki being an offensive term. The Thadou ("Kuki") typically use the word Kuki to refer to themselves in published books and on social media (just search for "Kuki gospel songs"). Lingnanhua (talk) 09:00, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Austronesier: Watch out for editors who change Kuki-Chin–Naga to Kuki-Chin. This has already happened quite a few times. I am fully aware that the Kuki/Chin and Naga do not like each other and don't want anything to do with each other, but that doesn't mean Naga (or Chin) editors should change the names. Same goes for Balto-Slavic and Serbo-Croatian. These people generally do not like each other, but those are nevertheless valid linguistic groupings. And don't forget that Hebrew and Arabic, Ukrainian and Russian, and others are closely related languages.

However, I would not object to changing Northwestern Kuki-Chin to Southern Naga. Lingnanhua (talk) 08:49, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Quality control needed

Out of all the Sino-Tibetan branches, articles on Kuki-Chin and Naga languages are disproprotionately likely to fall into decay as editors add unsourced content and do messy changes that become eyesores for scholars. The Indo-Burmese border region is essentially like the Balkans, and hence the propensity for these articles to turn into big messes on Wikipedia. However, articles about all of the other Sino-Tibetan branches tend to stay the way they are. @Austronesier: and others should keep a close eye. Lingnanhua (talk) 09:07, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lingnanhua: Thanks for the ping, I haven't noticed the recent distortion, good thing you've seen it. I have also added Kuki-Chin–Naga languages to my watchlist now. By the way, what do you think about Kuki-Chin–Naga being presented as solely "geographical" here? "Proposed" might be more accurate, since the question is not settled yet. DeLancey (in the new De Gruyter volume by Sidwell and Jenny) thinks it is very likely that Kuki-Chin–Naga comprises a valid mid-level subgroup. –Austronesier (talk) 10:25, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Austronesier: Matisoff currently considers it to be a geographical and cultural area, but he doesn't rule out the possibility that Kuki-Chin-Naga may be a valid branch with a common ancestor. It's kind of like Balto-Slavic or Italo-Celtic. Lingnanhua (talk) 15:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)