Talk:LGBTQ rights by country or territory
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LGBT rights map is incorrect
editHello.
I want some help in editing the map being used on LGBT rights by country or territory (Template:World laws pertaining to homosexual relationships and expression).
The information concering South Asia appears to be incorrect:
- Pakistan should be changed to "Prison, with arrests or detention"
- Bangladesh and Sri Lanka shoud be changed to "Prison, not enforced" (I have no idea why Bangladesh is coloured as having same-sex relationship legal protections).
There have been no arrets in Bangladesh or Sri Lanka during the past several years so I doubt they should be included.
I have a feeling that Pakistan might be controversial, but the following do state that there are arrests of LGBTQ in the country, especially the UK foreign office summary:
Pakistan
Shironese (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- PK: "although Pakistan has not convicted sexual minorities on the grounds of anti-homosexuality legislation, the situation is different within families, as 'hundreds of homicides are committed each year in the country in the name of family “honour”.'"
- We don't map 'honour'-killings, so yellow seems right. — kwami (talk) 00:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- The key is about arrests not convictions. In that case both Bangladesh and Pakistan should be light orange "Prison, with arrests or detention". In fact Pakistan has an unenforced death penalty on the books, so it ought to be dark orange actually. Both seem to be glossing over the reality.
- There was one example post of an arrest in Sri Lanka, but upon further investigation it seems that it was not actally an arrest but the couple threatened to commit suicide, so were taken to hospital by the police. There doesn't seem to be anything for consensual sex. SamanthaWinning (talk) 12:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I did make some of these changes, and several more, but reverted myself when people objected. So far the refs haven't panned out. E.g. AFAICT Pakistan does not have the death penalty on the books. I'll take a look at the one you posted on the map talk page on Commons. — kwami (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I got about halfway through your supposed refs for Pakistan, and they pretty much all failed verification.
- Since you've proven incapable of backing up your claims, I'll want something better before wasting any more of my time with lists of supposed sources. Specifically, provide quotations from each source that you think proves your claim, with a page, paragraph or section number if the source is not searchable so that we can verify that it says what you think it says. — kwami (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Gay relationships are still criminalised in 72 countries, report finds | LGBTQ+ rights | The Guardian
- Pakistan does have the death penalty on the books. SamanthaWinning (talk) 09:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- kwami, be mindful of the language you choose. Regardless of the duration you have been editing Wikipedia, disrespectful interaction with other editors is prohibited. Period. 2604:4080:13F8:8320:183:756D:FB7B:E055 (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Homosexuality in Pakistan can be indirectly punished to death through the Offence of Zina. This source is from 2022.
- "2.4.1 The Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) does not explicitly refer to same-sex sexual activity, but Section 377 defines ‘carnal intercourse against the order of nature’, as punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment for a period of 2 years to life. There is ambiguity on whether Section 377 applies to women, but it is assumed the law applies to both men and women. The Offence of Zina (Enforcement Of Hudood) Ordinance of 1979 criminalises any form of penetration in a sexual act outside of marriage. Whilst consensual same-sex sexual acts are not explicitly covered by these provisions since LGBTI people are not able to marry they suggest that any same-sex sexual acts that involve penetration could be prosecuted under sharia provisions and may be punished by death. There are no laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, consensual same-sex sexual acts are prohibited as are same-sex civil unions or marriages, and same-sex couples cannot adopt children (see Legal rights and Application of the law)."
- https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pakistan-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-and-expression-pakistan-april-2022-accessible--2 WindofWasps (talk) 23:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- We haven't been counting adultery laws in other countries. — kwami (talk) 00:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I did make some of these changes, and several more, but reverted myself when people objected. So far the refs haven't panned out. E.g. AFAICT Pakistan does not have the death penalty on the books. I'll take a look at the one you posted on the map talk page on Commons. — kwami (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
why are all the country sub section in templates.
editit makes it hard to edit. Rguyr (talk) 02:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's so improvements and updates can be synchronized across multiple pages. Remsense诉 02:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
LGBT travel advice focusing on 36 countries
editThe table contains LGBT travel advice focusing on 36 countries.
| Country | Risk level | Caution level |
|---|---|---|
 Algeria |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Argentina |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Australia |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Austria |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 Bangladesh |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Brazil |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Canada |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Chile |
No risk | Regular caution |
 China |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Denmark |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Egypt |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Finland |
No risk | Regular caution |
 France |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Germany |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 India |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 Indonesia |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Iran |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Israel |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Italy |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 Japan |
No risk | Regular caution |
 South Korea |
Moderate risk | Travel reconsidered |
 Mexico |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Netherlands |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Nigeria |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Norway |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Pakistan |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 Philippines |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 Poland |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 Russia |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 South Africa |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 Spain |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Switzerland |
No risk | Regular caution |
 Thailand |
Low risk | Increased caution |
 Turkey |
High risk | No travel allowed |
 United Kingdom |
Moderate risk | Travel reconsidered |
 United States |
No risk | Regular caution |
For LGBT citizens:
- Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Israel, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Switzerland and the United States are no-risk countries, which require them to exercise regular caution when they visit these countries.
- Austria, Germany, India, Italy, the Philippines, Poland, South Africa and Thailand are low-risk countries, which require them to exercise increased caution when they visit these countries.
- South Korea and the United Kingdom are moderate-risk countries, which require them to reconsider travel before visiting these countries.
- Algeria, Bangladesh, China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia and Turkey are high-risk countries, which block travel for them.
As an LGBT citizen:
- Exercise regular caution when you visit Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Israel, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Switzerland and the United States due to no risk.
- Exercise increased caution when you visit Austria, Germany, India, Italy, the Philippines, Poland, South Africa and Thailand due to low risk.
- Reconsider travel before visiting South Korea and the United Kingdom due to moderate risk.
- Avoid Algeria, Bangladesh, China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia and Turkey due to high risk.
2603:7000:B500:5D4:2CE3:391E:911A:21C (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is your point, exactly? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that:
- No-risk countries include Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Israel, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Switzerland and the United States, requiring LGBT citizens to exercise regular caution when they visit these countries.
- Low-risk countries include Austria, Germany, India, Italy, the Philippines, Poland, South Africa and Thailand, requiring LGBT citizens to exercise increased caution when they visit these countries.
- Moderate-risk countries include South Korea and the United Kingdom, requiring LGBT citizens to reconsider travel before visiting these countries.
- High-risk countries include Algeria, Bangladesh, China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia and Turkey, blocking travel for LGBT citizens.
- 2600:4041:51E1:7000:303C:C8BB:CAEA:3E6D (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't understand what you are asking for. Please see my reply below. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that:
Information focusing LGBT rights enjoyment or preference and opposition by 36 countries
editThe table contains information focusing LGBT rights enjoyment or preference and opposition by 36 countries.
| Country | LGBT rights enjoyment or preference level | LGBT rights opposition level | LGBT or LGBTQ rights status |
|---|---|---|---|
| Algeria |
— | Mild opposition | Opposing LGBT rights a bit |
| Argentina |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Australia |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Austria |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Bangladesh |
— | High opposition | Highly opposing LGBT rights |
| Brazil |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Canada |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Chile |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| China |
— | Moderate opposition | Opposing LGBT rights |
| Denmark |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Egypt |
— | High opposition | Highly opposing LGBT rights |
| Finland |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| France |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Germany |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| India |
Mild enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights a bit |
| Indonesia |
— | High opposition | Highly opposing LGBT rights |
| Iran |
— | High opposition | Highly opposing LGBT rights |
| Israel |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Italy |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Japan |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| South Korea |
— | Neither enjoying or preferring nor opposing LGBT rights | |
| Mexico |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Netherlands |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Nigeria |
— | High opposition | Highly opposing LGBT rights |
| Norway |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Pakistan |
— | High opposition | Highly opposing LGBT rights |
| Philippines |
Mild enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights a bit |
| Poland |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Russia |
— | Moderate opposition | Opposing LGBT rights |
| South Africa |
Mild enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights a bit |
| Spain |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Switzerland |
Moderate enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
| Thailand |
Mild enjoyment or preference | — | Enjoying or preferring LGBT rights a bit |
| Turkey |
— | Mild opposition | Opposing LGBT rights a bit |
| United Kingdom |
— | Neither enjoying or preferring nor opposing LGBT rights | |
| United States |
High enjoyment or preference | — | Highly enjoying or preferring LGBT rights |
2603:7000:B500:5D4:2CE3:391E:911A:21C (talk) 19:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is your point, exactly? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that:
- Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Israel, Japan, Mexico and the United States enjoy or prefer LGBT rights very much.
- Austria, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Spain and Switzerland enjoy or prefer LGBT rights.
- India, the Philippines, South Africa and Thailand enjoy or prefer LGBT rights a bit.
- Neither South Korea nor the United Kingdom either enjoys or prefers or opposes LGBT rights.
- Algeria and Turkey oppose LGBT rights a bit.
- China and Russia oppose LGBT rights.
- Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria and Pakistan oppose LGBT rights very much.
- 2603:7000:B500:5D4:68DE:BA26:7A38:9662 (talk) 00:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that:
Information focusing LGBT rights acceptance or support and aversion by 36 countries
editThe table contains information focusing LGBT rights acceptance or support and aversion by 36 countries.
| Country | LGBT rights acceptance or support level | LGBT rights aversion level | LGBT or LGBTQ rights status |
|---|---|---|---|
| Algeria |
— | Mild aversion | A bit averse to LGBT rights |
| Argentina |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Australia |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Austria |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Bangladesh |
— | High aversion | Highly averse to LGBT rights |
| Brazil |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Canada |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Chile |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| China |
— | Moderate aversion | Averse to LGBT rights |
| Denmark |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Egypt |
— | High aversion | Highly averse to LGBT rights |
| Finland |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| France |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Germany |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| India |
Mild acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights a bit |
| Indonesia |
— | High aversion | Highly averse to LGBT rights |
| Iran |
— | High aversion | Highly averse to LGBT rights |
| Israel |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Italy |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Japan |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| South Korea |
— | Neither accepting or supporting nor averse to LGBT rights | |
| Mexico |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Netherlands |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Nigeria |
— | High aversion | Highly averse to LGBT rights |
| Norway |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Pakistan |
— | High aversion | Highly averse to LGBT rights |
| Philippines |
Mild acceptance or supporting | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights a bit |
| Poland |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Russia |
— | Moderate aversion | Averse to LGBT rights |
| South Africa |
Mild acceptance or supporting | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights a bit |
| Spain |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Switzerland |
Moderate acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
| Thailand |
Mild acceptance or support | — | Accepting or supporting LGBT rights a bit |
| Turkey |
— | Mild aversion | A bit averse to LGBT rights |
| United Kingdom |
— | Neither accepting or supporting nor averse to LGBT rights | |
| United States |
High acceptance or support | — | Highly accepting or supporting LGBT rights |
2603:7000:B500:5D4:2CE3:391E:911A:21C (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is your point, exactly? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that:
- Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Israel, Japan, Mexico and the United States accept or support LGBT rights very much.
- Austria, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Spain and Switzerland accept or support LGBT rights.
- India, the Philippines, South Africa and Thailand accept or support LGBT rights a bit.
- Neither South Korea nor the United Kingdom either accepts or supports or is averse to LGBT rights.
- Algeria and Turkey are a bit averse to LGBT rights.
- China and Russia are averse to LGBT rights.
- Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria and Pakistan are very much averse to LGBT rights.
- 2603:7000:B500:5D4:68DE:BA26:7A38:9662 (talk) 00:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is based upon reliable sources, not subjective original analysis by users. Zenomonoz (talk) 01:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't understand what you are asking for. I don't see any tables resembling these in the present article, the only mentions of some of these countries (e.g. Algeria, Bangladesh) are in tables transcluded from e.g. Template:LGBT rights table Africa, Template:LGBT rights table Asia, etc. and concealed inside collapsible boxes within LGBT rights by country or territory#LGBT-related laws by country or territory. Are your tables (i) suggestions for improving existing content; (ii) suggestiond for additional content; or (iii) an analysis of what we presently have in the article? If (i) or (ii), we definitely need reliable sources, per the policies on original research and verifiability; if (iii), see WP:NOTFORUM. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that:
Requested move 30 September 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
LGBT rights by country or territory → LGBTQ rights by country or territory – per WP:CONSUB and MR/RM discussions and consensus on CfD, Portal, WProject --MikutoH talk! 23:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). SilverLocust 💬 03:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per WP:CONSUB for consistency with LGBTQ.--Trystan (talk) 13:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support since that's the title of the LGBTQ page Spookyaki (talk) 00:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Politics, WikiProject Law, WikiProject Countries, WikiProject Human rights, WikiProject LGBT studies, and WikiProject Lists have been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 22:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support for the reasons already stated. FiveInParticular (talk) 01:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per the previous discussions and WP:CONSUB — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 17:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support as nominated. Raladic (talk) 00:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per consub rationale above. Preinstallable (talk) 09:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, but move to LGBTQ+ rights by country or territory and also move LGBTQ to LGBTQ+ INFIYNJTE (talk) 20:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.