This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Lady Red Couture article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to gender-related disputes or controversies or people associated with them, which has been designated as a contentious topic.
This article should adhere to the gender identity guideline because it contains material about one or more trans women. Precedence should be given to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources, anywhere in article space, even when it doesn't match what's most common in reliable sources. Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the pronouns, possessive adjectives, and gendered nouns (for example "man/woman", "waiter/waitress", "chairman/chairwoman") that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. Some people go by singular they pronouns, which are acceptable for use in articles. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life, unless the subject has indicated a preference otherwise. Former, pre-transition names may only be included if the person was notable while using the name; outside of the main biographical article, such names should only appear once, in a footnote or parentheses.If material violating this guideline is repeatedly inserted, or if there are other related issues, please report the issue to the LGBTQ+ WikiProject, or, in the case of living people, to the BLP noticeboard.
This article was created or improved during Wiki Loves Pride, 2020.Wiki Loves PrideWikipedia:Wiki Loves PrideTemplate:Wiki Loves Pride talkWiki Loves Pride articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CaliforniaWikipedia:WikiProject CaliforniaTemplate:WikiProject CaliforniaCalifornia articles
This article was copy edited by Twofingered Typist, a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, on November 1, 2020.Guild of Copy EditorsWikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsTemplate:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsGuild of Copy Editors articles
This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBTQ-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBTQ+ studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesLGBTQ+ studies articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles
A fact from Lady Red Couture appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 August 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Lady Red Couture, known as "the largest live-singing drag queen", stood 7 ft 2 in (2.18 m) in heels?
Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
How should the subject be referred to on subsequent mentions? Some of the RS in the article opt for "Couture", while others opt for "Lady Red". I went with "Couture" for now, but this is yet another case of "Is that a surname?". Armadillopteryxtalk17:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Another Believer: That could work. I was also toying with the idea of referring to her as "Baines" throughout, since (unlike in most drag performer articles) the Career section doesn't take up an overwhelming majority of the article. Maybe beginning the Career section with something like: "As Lady Red Couture, Baines did XYZ." Not sure how I feel about that, though, since it does go against our general precedent of using the drag ID for work done in drag and the out-of-drag ID for info about the person in their private life. Armadillopteryxtalk19:16, 8 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 4 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that Lady Red Couture stood 7 ft 2 in (2.18 m) in heels? Source: "A fixture in Los Angeles clubs who stood 7-foot-2 in heels, she also co-hosted the L.G.B.T.Q. talk show 'Hey Qween!'" ([1])
ALT1:... that Lady Red Couture was known as "the largest live-singing drag queen"? Source: "She worked at venues like Hamburger Mary's and developed a reputation for being the 'largest live-singing drag queen.'" ([2])
Other problems: - Both hooks are interesting, I just have some queries: ALT0 would "high heels" be better for "heels" or is that a US/British English thing? ALT1 could add "in Los Angeles"?
QPQ: Done.
Overall: These quotes could be rewritten: "acted in plays and played trombone and tuba in the marching band, performing in the Tournament of Roses Parade" and "she held a variety of jobs, including 'security diva' at Gym Sportsbar and 'budtender' at a MedMen cannabis dispensary" Mujinga (talk) 01:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hi Mujinga, and thanks for the review! For ALT0, I think "heels" by itself is more common, especially in the drag industry (e.g. "six-inch heels" [3] / "Louboutin heels" [4] / "Is she wearing heels?" [5]). I am not sure if this differs regionally (e.g. between the US/UK). Changing it to "high heels" would sound more formal/dated to me, but I'm not strictly opposed to it, if you feel strongly. As for ALT1, the source just says "the largest live-singing drag queen"; it doesn't contain any qualifiers like "in Los Angeles". I think it would be OR to add that without a source.
OK great, this is good to go. For heels (wow Louboutin) I think you are right, it's just me who would say high heels, thanks for explaining. For LA, the previous sentence says "Outside of Hey Qween, Lady Red was a LA staple" so I wouldn't say it would be OR to include but on reflection it's less hooky so better as it is. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
- Both hooks are interesting, I just have some queries: ALT0 would "high heels" be better for "heels" or is that a US/British English thing? ALT1 could add "in Los Angeles"?
These quotes could be rewritten: "acted in plays and played trombone and tuba in the marching band, performing in the Tournament of Roses Parade" and "she held a variety of jobs, including 'security diva' at Gym Sportsbar and 'budtender' at a MedMen cannabis dispensary" Mujinga (talk) 01:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
OK great, this is good to go. For heels (wow Louboutin) I think you are right, it's just me who would say high heels, thanks for explaining. For LA, the previous sentence says "Outside of Hey Qween, Lady Red was a LA staple" so I wouldn't say it would be OR to include but on reflection it's less hooky so better as it is. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)