Talk:Lake Manasarovar

claims without references

I remove the following text from the article.

The lake is also famous for its natural beauty and strange happenings. There have been many sightings of glowing balls of light entering the river. This phenomenon is usually seen late at night or early in the morning. There has been no scientific explanation for this yet. The Hindu texts have explained this as souls from the astral layer, also called the 'Devatas' which means Gods in Sankrit, take a dip in the lake in the morning. The usual time of this celestial encounter is between 3 am and 5 am which is called Brahmamahurat or auspicious time of Brahma, the creator of this lake. The sight is really beautiful, unique and memorable. Most people who take a dip in this sweet water lake find the experience mesmerising. Its said that illusion doesn't exist here, as the mental plane gets very still with the meditative states that the lake energy can instill in people.

I don't mean to be skeptical, but all this is too incredible for me. Please provide proper references while adding such claims. --srini 12:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Highest fresh water lake?

There are some contradicting sources. See this for example [1]. Also, other parts of Wikipedia, such as, Ojos del Salado suggest this. Cribananda (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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--115.130.11.0 (talk) 01:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC) Manas Sarovar actually ManSarovar which is located in Nirthern part of Nepal in the border of Tibet,China. It is not located in China.

Declined — Ample evidence on the web that the lake that this article is talking about is the one to which the coordinates point and a reverse geocode on the coords indicates that this lake is in China. Are there two contenders to be this lake? Please explain your position in more detail if you choose to reassert it. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 17:38, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Lake Manassarovar → Lake Manasarovar – Google ngrams and search hits widely prefer Lake Manasarovar, which was the original name of the article, still the most common form on Wikipedia, and my suggested rename. Existing Wikipedia usage for other lakes in Tibet would dictate Manasarovar Lake instead. The current spelling (Lake Manassarovar) is clearly unsupportable. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC) --—[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:18, 18 March 2014 (UTC) (Edited) —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:40, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• Move from Lake Manasarovar to Manasarovar Lake was done by @Inwind: on 2013-06-23, citing "Chinese lake naming convention".
• Move from Manasarovar Lake to Lake Manassarovar was done by @JackofOz: on 2013-10-06, apparently without discussion, citing use in article sources (though only one source is available online, and it uses yet another spelling (Lake Manasarowar)).
• this ngram report shows consistently 10–40% more usage of Manasarovar than Mansarovar. Manassarovar got only a single hit.
• Of the 37 Tibetan lake articles, just 8 are of the form Lake X (as opposed to X Lake). This is even more apparent in lakes of China.
• However, this ngram report shows 3–9x as many Lake Manasarovar as Manasarovar Lake, contradicting Wikipedia's apparent preference.
• Wikipedia hits:
  • Lake Manasarovar: 49
  • Lake Mansarovar: 17
  • Lake Manassarovar: 5
  • Mansarovar Lake: 18
  • Manasarovar Lake: 8
  • Manassarovar Lake: 1
• Google hits (-wikipedia):
  • Lake Manasarovar: 54,500
  • Lake Mansarovar: 22,000
  • Lake Manassarovar: 1,620
  • Mansarovar Lake: 29,200
  • Manasarovar Lake: 18,200
  • Manassarovar Lake: 401

—[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:40, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Nobody seems to care, including the two previous movers (who were pinged, and are currently active). Can I request a close/move and get this off my plate? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support: As shown in the stats above, Manasarovar Lake with one 's' seems to be the common name. Rincewind42 (talk) 06:06, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

• Comment and alternative proposal. I agree that the most common spelling is Manasarovar. However the addition of 'lake' is tautological since the term Sanskrit 'sarovara' means lake. Since google hits have been taken into account in the start, 'Manasarovar' turned up far more hits than 'Lake Manosaravar' - it came up with 543000 for me. Obviously this is a quite crude method, but then counting ghits always is, and I have not checked for this in RS. However calling it Manasarovar would be sufficient. It is the primary use and there is no confusion, no need for disambiguation in the title. Imc (talk) 19:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• @Imc:Having a quick look at the hits that are not for Lake Manasarovar or Manasarovar Lake, they seem to refer to things named after it, not the lake itself (e.g. the pilgrimage "Kailash Manasarovar Yatra", hotels, casual language, etc.). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I take the point. Imc (talk) 13:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• Support for the reasons given above. Imc (talk) 13:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Talk pages not moved

@BrownHairedGirl: It seems that the talk pages are still reversed, with the text residing at Talk:Lake Manassarovar and a redirect at Talk:Lake Manasarovar. It seems the latter should be removed, the former renamed to the latter, and the former recreated as a redirect to the latter, right? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Sorry about that, and thanks for pointing it out. Now fixed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:13, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Scripts

Lead paragraphs are meant to display scripts of the location in which a subject is found. This lake is in the Tibet Autonomous Region of China, though several months ago, the Chinese/Tibetan names were removed and replaced with Sanskrit (similarly to what happened on the Mt Kailash page) - a language not officially in use in the TAR. Of course, there is a major Hindu/Jain connection to this lake, and so the Sanskrit is rightfully listed in the Etymology section, but keep in mind this lake is in China's TAR, and so Chinese and Tibetan must be used. The addition of Sanskrit to the lead, again, is not justified because this isn't a subject exclusive to Hinduism, such as pages written about Hindu gods that list Sanskrit in the lead paragraph. This is a lake in a region of China - and that is the primary topic of the page. This explanation is also on the talk page of mt kailasha.Willard84 (talk) 23:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Review: this article needs some scholarly summaries

The mythology and religious significance part of the current article (August 18 2021) is weak, uses non-RS/travelogues/websites. Scholars such as Alex McKay have studied and published articles and chapters on both Kailas (Kailasha) and Manasarovar. Such peer reviewed scholarship is what we should rely on to improve this article. Kailas and Manasa lake are indeed historic, found in Buddhist, Hindu and Jain literature. This discussion appears often with their mythology with Meru, poetry, or other genre of historic literature. But, as the modern era scholars discuss, this Manasa ---> Manasarovar lake is largely a modern era construction, largely aided innocently by the colonial era literature. While this may upset some devout readers, we should summarize some serious scholarship for a quality article, rather than mirror questionable sources such as Hindu websites, blogs, travelogues. I will try to clean up this article. But, if someone is interested in helping, please see Alex McKay's book titled Kailas Histories, and the Chapter 15 therein The European Construction of Kailas-Manasarovar published by Brill Academic. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Issue with names

The intro says Lake Manasarovar is also called mTsho Mapham and mTsho Ma-dros-pa. Google maps calls this Mapang Yongcuo. And the info box says its local name is Mapam Yumtso. Britannica has a couple more: Lake Mapam, Mapam Yumco or Mafa Mucuo, Ma-p’ang Yung-ts’o and Ma-fa-mu-ts’o and Tso Mapham.

Are all them correct?! If yes, please don't let them float around.

Shubjt (talk) 14:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Source of the Indus?

The first paragraph of the article says that the lake is the source of the Indus River. But then the article changes its mind and says that the lake is "nearby" the sources of the Sutlej, the Brahmaputra River, and the Indus. Is it the source of the Indus or is it not? Imerologul Valah (talk) 18:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. Looking at these two sources [2] [3] (p. 15) it seems that the Indus river originates near the lake as both refs don't quite say that the lake is the source of the Indus River. I can update the info based on these refs. Eucalyptusmint (talk) 00:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)