Talk:Latin Kings

Jonathan Rodriguez

I removeded the following:

You can also identify them as your brother or sister in the struggle. though the neccesities might be different the strugle remains the same. we all face rough conditions that this capitalist and emperialistic society has forced us to be subjected to. we are one people one voice one movement.

Possibly vandalism. wirtten by [Jonathan] [Jay] [Rodriguez] 05:25, May 31,2005 (UTC)

Jonathan Rodriguez was born in February,15,1992

"The Almighty Latin King and Queen Nation (ALKQN) was started in Chicago, Illinois, during the 1940's by a group of individuals of Puerto Rican descent. Their alleged motivation for forming this group was an attempt at overcoming the prejudices they faced. They wanted to rise above the racism and create an organization of so-called Kings equipped to fight off injustice to better themselves and their communities. Their lives would, thus, be fulfilled. Oddly enough, most of its members were already incarcerated on serious criminal charges. Inevitably, the ALKN became one of Chicago's largest and most violent street gangs."

Why inevitably? They might have formed some wonderful, peace-loving organization instead. Changing it for NPOV.

Sdr 08:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

You aren't using logic. The article says that because "most of its members were already incarcerated" the ALKN inevitably (unavoidably) became one of Chicago's largest/violent street gangs. It isn't probable that formerly incarcerated gang members, most likely convicted for violent or serious drug offenses, are going to start a community flower garden. The article is within the scope of acceptable limits. Pipe down. Haizum 02:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Stanley "Tookie" Williams renounced his gang affilliation while in jail, so it's not impossible for criminals to change their ways. DonMEGA⁶⁰⁶⁴⁵ 13:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh right, after he killed multiple people, and after they gave him a spot on death row. What a hero. Haizum 14:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't this written like the other gang articles? I know the Lating Kings didn't start as a violnent gang and is trying to stop doing that, but as of present, it IS a violent gang and has not maintained it's positive role it was established to do. Ilikefox34 20:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you link to an example? i.e., what other gang articles do you mean? LVehko (talk) 07:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Protection

Folks, please discuss the issue. Calling each other vandals and edit warring is not productive, and is making it awfully tempting for me to block you both. Please discuss your rationale. --Nlu (talk) 14:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

People Alliance

The latin king streetgang ARE part of the people alliance and one of the main founders of the Ally organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homan05 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Correct reference link.

For when this page is no longer protected, the link to footnote 2 ("Gang wars shake Spain's Latin quarter") should be this. [1] Alcarillo (talk) 06:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Power

Wasn't there a Latin Kings leader called Power back in the 80s? I used to hear his name all time down in Miami. I've never been in a gang, but his name was always around back then and I think he made the news a couple of time. Don't see his name in the article.

New CIty

PHIlADEPHIA,PA. HOUSTON, TX

• Latin kings are in hundreds of cities. It's not like we can list them all, nor should we even try. Niteshift36 (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Ecuador - Are they a political movement? I would like to know more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.206.63 (talk) 06:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

members of the nyc line had a sizable movement in connecticut in the 90's. it deserves a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.49.5.238 (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

NEW Race

in the latin kings there are many many of dominicans but there are also some mexicans in the gang and also african american race.

Correctional officer

I would propose that the last sentence in the correctional officer assasination paragraph be stricken as it is speculative in nature without evidence and therefore should not be a point of reference. Pueblonative (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

The U.S. is almost 70!

The 1st sentence as it stands right now:

"The Latin Kings are said to be the largest and most organized Hispanic street gang in the United States of America, which has its roots dating back to the 1940s in Chicago, Illinois."

I'm fixing the misplaced modifier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.19.169 (talk) 04:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Allies

I thought Bloods were enemies of Latin Kings.... why are they listed as allies? Nortenos are not really officially allies with Latin Kings either, there is only evidence of them getting along because they both share a common enemy (Surenos). Nothing is cited. Azteca Imperio 20:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC Nortenos and kings have an assist agreement

it sobvious yuh dont knoe anything about the latin king and queen nation. i knoe this becuz i am one and the only reason we are sum type wayt allies with bloods is becuz we share the 5 pointeedd star and we run on the same bloodline

meat loaf story to be removed

This story seems irrelevant and is written using conversational language. If no one has a good argument on why it should stat, i will remove it.--67.86.120.246 (talk) 18:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

remove it, then 204.15.29.119 (talk) 04:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

If it was removed, it's back, and it sounds just as ridiculous. Needs a full rewrite. There are only two sources cited, one of which simply says "a skull was found." I don't think any of this is verified information or even very likely (a secret tunnel in the prison? come on...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.0.106 (talk) 21:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Removed the two unencyclopedic sections and added "multiple issues" tag. 99.56.185.150 (talk) 11:16, 21 October 2010 (U

THE LATIN KINGS IS NOT ALLIE WITH THE NORTEÑOS... THE LATIN KINGS THEY RUN WITH THE 18TH STREET AT THE NORTH OF CALIFORNIA.....

Alleged Crimes

The entire section about the alleged crimes by Latin King's members should be removed. They have no basis in the article, especially since it has not been proven they were preformed by members of the Latin Kings. Further more, it seems to be vandilism and bragging that could cause problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LPSatwork (talk • contribs) 21:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Kingism

who are the "highly intellectual Latin Kings"? There is no validation for this statement and should be removed unless there is a viable source. Will remove if no source is cited —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.213.77 (talk) 16:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Removed again until a reference can be provided. 99.24.202.119 (talk) 18:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Recent Publicized Crimes

All these "Recent" crimes are over a year old and limited to local Chicago news. Unlike the Federal cases they are hardly notable and should be removed. If there's any justification to keeping these articles please discuss. 99.24.202.119 (talk) 20:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Gang pic to represent Markings section - Keep or delete?

Keep or delete picture for Markings section. Kausticgirl (talk) 01:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Copyright issue: 1997: Operation Lord Gino - copied from Chicago Trib

Most of this section was a cut and paste from an article in the Chicago Trib. I've deleted the section from the article but copied it here in case anyone wants to re-write it to avoid the copyright issues. Kausticgirl (talk) 09:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Operation Lord Gino After spending a quarter century in prison on a murder conviction, Gustavo "Gino" Colon, co-leader of the Latin Kings street gang, was charged with a 25 count indictment . Gang underlings were so sure that Colon would be released that they had already arranged for him to be squired from the Downstate Menard Correctional Center to Chicago in a limousine, according to law enforcement officials. Instead, 24 hours before his release, Colon was awakened by prison officials, who handcuffed him and then escorted him out of the prison, where he was handed over to federal agents. Colon was driven to Chicago in a van under tight security. He and 13 other members and affiliates of the Latin King street gang were charged with running a drug operation that is alleged to have distributed $6 million worth of crack and powder cocaine, marijuana and heroin throughout Chicago between 1995 and 1996 .

According to the 25-count indictment, Colon—known as "Lord Gino"--used prison telephones and meetings with visitors at Menard to direct the gang's massive drug operations, including the purchase of cocaine and the wholesale distribution of drugs from an apartment building in the 2400 block of North Kedzie Avenue. The "Sun King", Gustavo Colon was given a "Life Sentence" in federal prison after a two month trial.

References

Copyright issue: 2009: Operation Augustin Zambrano - copied from Chicago FBI press release

Most of this section was a cut and paste from a press release on the FBI's website. I've deleted the section from the article but copied it here in case anyone wants to re-write it to avoid the copyright issues. 99.56.189.130 (talk) 03:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

2009: Operation Augustin Zambrano Augustin Zambrano, alleged to be a "Corona" of the Latin Kings, making him the highest-ranking leader outside of prison and responsible for overseeing the illegal activities of all factions of the powerful Chicago Latin Kings, is among 18 defendants charged in a sweeping new federal indictment against the gang's alleged hierarchy. Zambrano and other alleged leaders of the 26th Street Region of the Latin Kings were charged with racketeering conspiracy for allegedly running a criminal enterprise to enrich themselves and others through drug trafficking and preserving and protecting their power, territory and revenue through acts of murder, attempted murder, assault with a dangerous weapon, extortion, and other acts of violence.[19]

The charges result from a sustained, coordinated investigation by multiple federal law enforcement agencies, working together with the Chicago Police Department and other state and local partners, to dismantle the hierarchy of the Latin Kings and other highly-organized, often violent, drug-trafficking Chicago street gangs.

• Maybe you aren't aware, but there is no copyright issue. Most federal documents, including FBI press releases, are not copyrighted. I'll take care of restoring it to the article. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Article organization

I've re-organizaed the article so that it focuses first on what is common to all Latin Kings (i.e. History, Organizational structure, Culture, etc...). Then the article breaks down into three main sub-headings; King Motherland Chicago, Bloodline, and Latin Queens. 99.56.191.221 (talk) 06:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Detailed execution and weight

User:24.12.107.202 has added the following story to the article. I have removed it because it has undue weight to the rest of the article, and is more sensationalized than informative. While I am not disputing the truth of the claims, this is an encyclopedia article not a random collection of facts. Outside of the two sources given [2] I can not find any WP:RS which make mention of the incident. From what I can tell no arrests were made, and the only newspaper report that came of it was the one news article from the local paper.Coffeepusher (talk) 02:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Awesomedude1094

Keeps removing huge swaths of information. User:CanadianLinuxUser keeps reverting his changes. Is there any way to ban Awesomedude1094 or his IP from editing this article? 75.39.234.173 (talk) 75.39.234.173 (talk) 14:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Multiple Issues

• Overview: The last sentence makes no sense. Dominated by what?
• Culture: "The teams Kings represent"??? What does this even mean? Is this slang? Doesn't make sense.
• Markings: The first sentence is all a jumble. Should either be separated into a bulleted list or should be separated into separate sentences.

The overall structure of the article is poorly designed. Chicago Kings have a long section for federal investigations. This may need to be it's own article or it's own section. The Bloodline have an extensive detailed history, but no listing of stings against them.

I work with gangs on a pretty regular basis and it definitely seems in places that this article is written by gang members and not written by a third party about the gang. Example: an article about Christianity should not say "Jesus loves you", but should say "Christians believe that Jesus loves everyone."

Over the past few hours I've added a bit of content, done some basic proofing and made some stylistic and formatting corrections. Overall seems like this needs a good deal of work, and considering they're such a giant gang, the article is fairly important, much more so than the Mexikanemi article I've done a great deal of work on.

Timothyjosephwood (talk) 10:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

"Ku Klux Klan"

Is there any evidence, at all, that they're actually rivals of the Ku Klux Klan, in any real sense?

In what way would they rival each other? Is the Klan trying to muscle in on their drug distribution territory?

Sounds like made-up bullshit, which is not surprising on this website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B15F:4C09:78E9:E980:F0C4:58FB (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2019

Please remove the Acronym ALKN from parenthesis, it's ALKQN, and LKN. There is however a writer from Hillsborough, A.L.K.N. check out his book, "Tough City And Love Poetry" nearly as climatic being chased around stalked by local Tampa porn stars. HateQwertyHacks (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. This is sourced. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Sources

This article is missing good sources on the history of the gang and some are verifiably incorrect. For example, chicagogangs.org states that Papa King was in his 40s when he was killed in 1988, making a date of 1954 impossible. The chicagoganghistory.com site states that the beginning of the history leading to the Latin Kings goes back to 1954; but, that the gang was actually formed by the merger of other gangs in Humboldt Park in 1964. While there may have been a longer history of Latin gangs in Chicago, the Latin Kings were not founded until 1964.

The article needs better sources because it does not have accurate information. It also seems to be combining Latin gangs into this article, which is supposed to be about one specific gang -- Latin Kings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wphowellco (talk • contribs) 15:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Not the oldest

Look up Clanton 14 gang on Wikipedia. Founded 1920 30 years before latin kings yet latin kings is the oldest latino gang according to this page Tonysinclair13g (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2020

Massachusetts is misspelled as "Massachusettes" in the final sentence of the Massachusetts section of the article ACollier13 (talk) 04:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

•  Done and thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 04:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2020

i would like to change the allies rivals and cration date of the gang The place where memes die (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. Edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change to be made, not for requesting access to the article itself. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd further add that any request for a change must be accompanied by a citation to the reliable secondary sources you paraphrased your proposed content from. We are not interested in anything you just "know". John from Idegon (talk) 07:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2021

In Elkhart Indiana: Kimberly Dyer is tortured to death by members of the Latin Kings. According to testimony, torture methods included waterboarding, cutting, strangulation, and mutilation. Her body was found in a plastic bin in a marsh outside Constantine, MI. 162.142.0.5 (talk) 10:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Investigations and prosecutions

The Latin Kings are known as one of the most violent gangs in the world, and there is limited presence of the authorities in the areas they typically operate in. The Latin Kings are known to engage in various criminal activities to include assault, burglary, homicide, identity theft, and money laundering. In most places, they are able to openly sell drugs or at the very least have a good running system with little interference. For the Latin Kings, drug trafficking to include heroin, cocaine, marijuana, and opioids, is the primary source of income. The urban communities in which the Latin Kings are present are plagued by gang activity and not enough repercussions to deal with it. Some residents in those communities are “reluctant to help investigators based on more than just fear of gang retaliation as it is also a consequence of their deep distrust of the local police and prosecutors and politicians” . Members of the community are also afraid that they will be targeted by the Latin Kings or even killed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.160.90.41 (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

References

Who was the Real Founder of the Latin Kings?

A lot of 2nd hand information and hear say. Did you know the Founder is still alive? His name is Phil Juarbe. Papo King was a self promoting Clown. Ramon Santos would have been 70 this year. If he had started the Kings in 1954 He would have been 2 years old. Papo King became a King around 1971. The official date of it's founding was May 15 1964.. 2 groups came together.... 1 from Leavitt and Schiller the other from Kedzie and Ohio. For your information : Ramon Santos was killed by his own People in 1988. Found shot in his chest placed in the bushes of Humboldt Park. Discovered by a young girl playing in the Park. So the so-called Founder met his demise at the hands of his own People. He had a Pauper Funeral. Maybe it would have been helpful to talk to some of the Original King's. Then you would have gotten it right. King Phil our Founder is still alive. Will turn 76 this month. The Average age of ALL the Original Latin Kings is 75. So if your not 75 or older you weren't a Original King. 2 where older then 17 the rest were 16. Please get the Facts right. 2600:1700:1E80:3280:91AB:574A:1C13:3941 (talk) 19:04, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Please take the tiny rascals gang off the Latin kings enemy list.this is inaccurate information

this is alphalfa.i want the tiny rascals gang removed from the Latin kings enemy list.thats inacurate information.thank you 2603:8080:F400:5A78:D12A:3F3:BE3B:960B (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 22:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2023

Ethnicity-Puerto Rican and Mexican Latinos 47.34.93.67 (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2024

Add Nortenos, and nuestra familia as allies Miguelsg831 (talk) 05:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 06:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

This is a link that provides the information Nortenos have been spreading into other states throughout the US especially in the midwest. There is a set of Nortenos that set up shop in Elkhart Indiana. This set has recently clicked up and allied themselves with the latin kings over there to go against Surenos. It is also a known fact that Nortenos and Latin Kings have a strong alliance in the Federal Prison System.https://www.reddit.com/r/CaliBanging/s/3Ycc3oZCvc Miguelsg831 (talk) 17:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Cannolis Also Nortenos are the soldiers of the Nuestra Familia they are basically the same thing but they command the nortenos as foot soldiers. The Nortenos(Nuestra Familia) are allies of the People Nation since Nortenos run under the 5 point star which is the symbol of the People Nation. This makes them allies to the Bloods, Latin Kings, Black P Stones, and Vice Lords Miguelsg831 (talk) 17:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

See WP:USERGEN, a comment on reddit is not a WP:reliable source. Cannolis (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

I Know the Nortenos from Elkhart personally since the branch comes from Watsonville, CA where i’m from they told me they joined forces with the latin kings over there. you can look it up yourself Nortenos and Latin Kings have been allies for years because they had to get together in the federal prison system. All i’m trying to do is add Nortenos as allies it’s really not a big deal Miguelsg831 (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2024

Put United Blood Gang in Allies instead of Rivals otherwise the two different pages say different things 2600:6C5E:467F:4B7:25C7:3AE:8DEE:96E9 (talk) 19:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The cited source on this page does support the rivalry. The cited source on the other page doesn't even MENTION the Latin Kings. So I deleted the reference on the United Blood Gang page, and left this one alone. PianoDan (talk) 21:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)