Talk:Lee Ka-eun

Kaeun

Notable as per WP:ENT since she is acting. No need for redirect to a disbanded or inactive group when she isn’t gonna have activities with them anymore. I don’t see a valid redirect. Moreover the afd was made a year ago when she wasn’t with much programmes. Much media coverage and sources listed, and a notable figure. Coolbruh123 (talk) 13:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Moreover it has long been established that idols can achieve notability per WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:GNG before WP:SINGER. Examples such as Harry Styles and Lisa and even BTS’ Jimin before he made his solo debut or even winning the Grammy Award. If you think a person is not notable, discuss here instead of redirecting them. Coolbruh123 (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

From the additional sources added since the last AfD (which was half a year ago), it didn't seem to me that WP:ENT was met. That having been said, I was relying on Google Translate and it's possible I missed something. Would you be able to specify the exact citations that you think establish that this subject-specific notability standard is met? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

“significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions”. Has appeared on multiple stages on Produce 48, with a large number of audience and notability, undeniably can be seen by the number of votes and rankings of Kaeun. Moreover she has been the leads in several television series. She has also achieved notability per WP:GNG just as Jimin and Lisa, then why are both of them accepted and allowed to have standalone articles even before they have their solo debut or anything? Is it because they are from popular groups now such as BTS and Blackpink so they have this “exemption”? Since Kaeun also achieved notability, there is no need to redirect.Coolbruh123 (talk) 01:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

All of the roles currently listed present when the AfD was conducted, with the exception Another Peaceful Day of Second-Hand Items, which hasn't aired yet and thus can't be assessed for its significance. I would suggest that you wait for that show to air before trying to reinstate the article. In response to your edit summary, the last stable version of this page was the AfD result, which you have attempted to edit against. The onus is on you to obtain a new consensus for your changes. I would recommend that you self-revert back to the redirect so as to avoid being blocked for edit warring. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:22, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

1. The page shows she has been written about by Naver, Hankook Ilbo, Joongang Daily, Osen, etc; all which meet the guidelines of notable, credible sources for Korean articles per Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources.

6. Is in a notable band, making her debut with After School, which was one of the prominent girl group at that time.

10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show. Performed in Produce 48, and was one of the top picks if not for the controversy. Was nominated for the “Center” position among 100 other contestants to perform the theme song. Performed on a notable TV show and has appeared on music programs, certainly satisfies the criteria.

12. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. I mean of course, a top pick throughout the show and placing first, and making her debut with After School certainly shows she is a featured subject. Moreover she also met WP:ENT As per WP:SINGER, it says at least one have to be met to be notable, and she has met at least 3. Clearly notable man. Coolbruh123 (talk) 01:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

By the way, we are not supposed to modify or edit the AfD and are supposed to discuss here, so I don’t see a reason to bring up AfD since we cannot change it and prove my stand there. It cannot be a definite stable for your stand. Coolbruh123 (talk) 01:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

You're right that the AfD is closed. If you can obtain consensus for the article to be reinstated, or if things change such that the issues raised at AfD have been addressed, then the article may be recreated. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

...and none of these things occurred after the last AfD, where it was determined by a consensus of editors that the subject does not meet any relevant notability guideline. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Has achieved notability as per WP:ENT, WP:SINGER and WP:GNG from the previous AfD to the present. I don’t get why you are always so about the AfD and saying it is not notable as of the previous AfD when she isn’t notable yet? Now she is notable and have met all the criteria. See Jimin’s AfD too. The previous version was not notable and changes and improvements have been made, and she has more schedules and works, and is individually notable now so I don’t get it why you are still in the past. Coolbruh123 (talk) 01:51, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

No substantive changes to notability since the date of the AfD. I will revert back to redirect. Comment on your talk page, Coolbruh123. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:35, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Has achieved notability as per WP:ENT, WP:SINGER and WP:GNG from the previous AfD to the present. Like what I said previously, notability can be achieved with through WP:GNG. Moreover she achieved notability through WP:ENTERTAINER, and has met WP:SINGER. According to the guidelines of WP:SINGER, one has to minimally hit 1 to achieved notability. She has hit at least 3 of those. 1. The page shows she has been written about by Naver, Hankook Ilbo, Joongang Daily, Osen, etc; all which meet the guidelines of notable, credible sources for Korean articles per Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources.

6. Is in a notable band, making her debut with After School, which was one of the prominent girl group at that time.

10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show. Performed in Produce 48, and was one of the top picks if not for the controversy. Was nominated for the “Center” position among 100 other contestants to perform the theme song. Performed on a notable TV show and has appeared on music programs, certainly satisfies the criteria.

12. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. I mean of course, a top pick throughout the show and placing first, and making her debut with After School certainly shows she is a featured subject. See BTS Jimin’s discussion page about his notability before BTS became this famous. Please be objective and don’t be bias. Lisa, Jimin can achieved notability through WP:GNG instead and not Kaeun? just because they are popular or a “prospect”? Pretty sure their case were similar to that of this article. Clearly notable. Coolbruh123 (talk) 02:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Substantial copy of the Wikipedia page Kaeun

Removed the tag due to error, page Kaeun redirects to Lee Kaeun. - Coolboyadam21 (talk) 21:43, 1 July 2012‎ (UTC)