Talk:Legion (TV series)

Page image

How about someone upload the TV series' logo that has been available since the first trailer was released as this page's image? It can be found at this link. I would do it but everytime I upload an image it is reverted and deleted. Burningblue52 (talk)

I would if I knew how. I will look further into how this is done, given that the TV series' official logo is out there, in trailers and so forth.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

On a new note - the TV series now has a poster that is available here and perhaps could be used for the page's image, given it is not yet clear if there will be more than one season? Every time I load a picture into Wikipedia, it is deleted though - so I'll leave it be for the moment.--50.232.205.246 (talk) 21:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

It is a cool poster, and will be good for a season article, but for now we should stick with the logo seeing as this is still a series article. Now that we have this link here, we can come back to the poster if we make a season article and need it for that in the future. Also, images like this will be deleted from Wikipedia if they are unused, so you should make sure that an image will be used in an article before you upload it. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Charles Xavier's son?

Is David Haller in this show Charles Xavier's son? I know he is in the source material, but not seeing any confirmation that he is in this show. I also checked the sources for that claim and they don't make mention of it. When I tried editing it, my edits were reverted so I came here. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minnesotasteve (talk • contribs) 23:40, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

There are sources for this throughout the article, and we have a whole paragraph about Xavier eventually showing up. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:50, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

There are no reliable sources for this, and the paragraph about Xavier eventually showing up is speculation. Minnesotasteve (talk)

The showrunner and producers are reliable sources. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I've scoured the articles for the showrunner and producer confirming that the TV David Haller is the son of Charles Xavier. It's simply not there. The only thing I can find is their confirmation that there will be references to this comic book origin. If I'm wrong, please show me where you have confirmation from the showrunner or producer that the television David Haller is indeed the biological son of Charles Xavier. Minnesotasteve (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:45, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

It's not that hard. In the entire paragraph on Xavier, there is a reference to this article where the showrunner not only agrees that the TV version of the character is also the son of Xavier, but also says that Xavier will likely show up himself to explore this. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Here is what you are referring to: “There’s a certain degree to which that’s to be determined,” Loeb, who’s also the head of Marvel TV, said. “As I explained, we’re in this objective reality of David, so it’s hard for us to tell. One of the things that is attractive about the X-Men universe is there is all these alternate timelines and these alternate universes, and so it does have this vaguer quality. We also begin to realize we’re seeing this world from multiple layers of the confusion and mixed signals that Dan’s character is getting. So, I mean, I think it’d be a spoiler to in a true sense to kind of say — I really like the idea of trying to make things that are unexpected and feel inevitable. I’ll say that we are true to the origins of this character.” That also applies to David’s comic book origins as the son of Professor Xavier. Echoing previous statements he made, Hawley confirmed, “I don’t think you can really tell this story without that element to it.” James McAvoy and Patrick Stewart portray Charles in the X-Men movies, and when asked by a fan if we’d see the Professor in Legion, Hawley responded, “I’d say you probably will.”

This does not say what you claim it says. He acknowledges that origin here, but he does not confirm that Haller is the son of Xavier. He simply says that they "are true to the origins of this character." That could mean so many different things. It's intentionally ambiguous and the editors of this article are interpreting it as a hard statement.

Hawley was asked if the character is the son of Xavier, and he replied "I don’t think you can really tell this story without that element to it." Seeing as how this series is telling the story, Hawley believes that David being the son of Xavier is an important part of the show. Add to that the fact that he has talked about when the character will be showing up and who will be playing him, and it makes you look like you are being ridiculously silly and nitpicky for no good reason other than to be a nuisance. We don't need someone to say, word-for-word, "David is definitely the son of Xavier in the show!" They have already told us this, and that info has been added to the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand why the character description should include information based on an interview with the creator that hasn't been revealed in the show and, indeed, may never be revealed in the show, no matter what Hawley said in an interview. john k (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Anyone who wants to know more about Legion can click on the link and find out more about it. As it stands, the show has not even revealed in any way beyond the use of the term "mutant" and Haller's comics background that it is even set in the X-Men universe, much less that he's Xavier's son. john k (talk) 05:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

There is no good reason to remove this information. It has been discussed by the series producers, and we have a whole paragraph discussing the character's potential casting that only makes sense given this as context. And it isn't up to us to worry about what the show will or won't do. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with a paragraph about casting. I don't see why the character description should include information that hasn't been presented in the show. And I don't think anything the producers have said is clear enough for us to be able to distinguish between whether they were just acknowledging that David is Xavier's son in the comics or indicating that David is Xavier's son in the show. john k (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

(And not on you, since you're not the one who's been reverting me, but I fail to see how a talk page conversation which features exactly one person arguing that this information should be in the article, and two people questioning it, constitutes a "consensus" that this information should be in the article) john k (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Whether or not the character on the show is Xavier's son, it's not (yet) an important part of the show, and there's absolutely no reason to include it in the character description. The casting paragraph serves the purpose particularly well, and of course there are links to the article on the comics character, which explains it too. The material on what is in the show itself should focus on what is in the show itself. john k (talk) 19:34, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

See talk page, says AlextheWhovian, explaining his revert. He's never posted anything on the talk page! This is absurd. john k (talk) 22:42, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I think you need to drop this issue. This is information that has been given to us by a reliable source, has been referenced in the show, and is discussed in depth in the article. The only reason I can see for you wanting to remove this is you think it is irrelevant, but that is your opinion, and reliable sources trump that. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I think at this point it's moot, as it's been pretty close to revealed in the story itself, so I'm happy to give in. I still think, though, that "something is stated in reliable sources" is not in any way an argument that it has to be discussed in a particular part of an article. (I also still think it's absurd for an editor who has never participated in the talk page to claim there's a consensus for something that only one user on the talk page has argued for, and use that as the basis for reversion.) john k (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Where was it revealed in the show? The closest they got was that chalk board doodle. Until it's revealed in the show it has no business being on this page. See MOS:INUNIVERSE for details on appropriate ways to write fictional articles. Presenting Legion as Professor X's son in this TV show is not accurate. I will amend the aforementioned section to reflect the reality that it is as of now only the creator's intention to make Legion the Professor's son and nothing else.Kude90 (talk) 14:03, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

You need to gain consensus for this. Please see the sourced content in the article confirming that Haller is Xavier's son. -- Alex^TW 20:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Alex is correct, this is source content, and the reveal has been confirmed by the showrunner - see the list of character page for more information. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Season 2 Draft

I have started a draft for the season 2 article at Draft:Legion (season 2). Everyone is welcome to help work on that until it is time to move it to the mainspace at Legion (season 2) (which redirects to this article for now). - adamstom97 (talk) 09:31, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Coming back to Season 2, I remembered that per WP:TVUPCOMING, a section is not to be added for that upcoming season until such time as an episode table can be created for the season. Sticking to this, we should move the Season 2 content elsewhere, meaning that the "Season 1 (2017)" header is then not needed. -- Alex^TW 06:28, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I think our section satisfies the possible exception clause from further down in TVUPCOMING, since we have other info in addition to the renewal and aren't just duplicating from the lead. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Then I recommend that the content be moved elsewhere in the article, so that this article isn't violating the guideline that we so often enforce, even on articles where the season section does have unique content. -- Alex^TW 03:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't see the problem, TVUPCOMING says we can have a section if there is more content than just the renewal announcement. That is how it has always worked. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I actually wasn't aware of that. However, after reading it, the exemption is when there is "substantial information" for the season; the example given for Season 8 of The Big Bang Theory gives a solid three paragraphs, whereas the section for Season 2 of Legion contains a mere two sentences of content that does not concern the renewal. -- Alex^TW 04:57, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

If you really think it's a big deal then I guess it could be removed, but I don't think we are violating the spirit of TVUPCOMING (which is trying to stop whole sections just for a single line that is already in the lead). The season is about to start filming soon anyway, and then we'll have a main article link to add to the section as well as, hopefully, a little more content while we are waiting for the table to be ready. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Trademark

LegiⓍn / Legiⓧn should redirect here -- 65.94.42.168 (talk) 04:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Why? Who is going to be searching for those? - adamstom97 (talk) 04:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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