Talk:Leila Ahmed

Women and Gender in Islam

I just brought a section over from the Islamic feminism article. It was added there by User:Trinaw, and reads like a book report. Its got some good information, so I'll put it here for now. Smmurphy^(Talk) 02:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Masry

i would appreicate your contribtuion to the Egyptian Arabic wikipedia project[1] thanks--91.75.93.218 (talk) 13:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

"seminal"

A part of the article begins like this: "In her seminal work, Women and Gender in Islam (1992), Ahmed argues"... I've always thought that 'seminal' is a weird word. It especially stands out in an article about a feminist. 99.172.79.215 (talk) 17:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Leila Ahmed. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141031081416/http://grawemeyer.org/news-updates/ahmed2019s-analysis-of-increased-2018veiling2019-wins-religion-prize to http://grawemeyer.org/news-updates/ahmed2019s-analysis-of-increased-2018veiling2019-wins-religion-prize
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100728152853/http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/451/bk1_451.htm to http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/451/bk1_451.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 09:50, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Leila Ahmed didn't reject her previous critique of the veil.

Most of her critique of the veil comes from the book "women and gender in Islam", where she considers it to be patriarchal imposition for sake of securing male lineage that Muslims co-opted from the Sassanians and Byzantines when they conquered these empires, before that only the prophet wives veiled.

What happened is that she initially considered that the resurgence of the veil during the late 20th century was influenced solely by patriarchy, but then she acknowledged that this wasn't true for everyone, and some women actually wore it as a symbol of freedom and justice, but that didn't make her retract her historical analysis of it, nowhere did she mention this and it is really misleading to assume so, you are free to provide any source, in fact she discussed it at as late as October the last year You can find it here

Again she doesn't mention anywhere that she rejected her historical analysis of the veil in that book.

My edit was simply to provide a literal quote from the source provided, where it says " some women wore the veil as a symbol of activism for justice and social change", this statement is more accurate and in line with the source ( it is literally copied from it) than "the veil when voluntarily chosen, is a progressive and feminist act." which isn't mentioned in the article.

furthermore she believes that the veil today has no universal meaning, she says in one of her interviews

"The veil today has no universal meaning. Its meanings are always local.”

So it is better to avoid generalized hyperboles that may misrepresent her complex views about the veil.

In addition that paragraph in her book (a border passage)

"Today, Ahmed is perhaps known most widely for her groundbreaking work on the Islamic view of women and their historical and social status in the Muslim world, particularly for her advocacy for veiling, a practice she formerly opposed as someone who grew up in a secular Egyptian family."

Isn't relevant to it by any means, that's why I deleted it. Mahmoud9896 (talk) 09:10, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I get it. She thinks it was patriarchal when it was first introduced but she doesn't think it is a bad practice now, assuming women get to choose. Fair enough. Aronanki (talk) 21:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

User:Courcelles shouldn't the last contributions dravidprince made to the article be deleted as well? I didn't undo his last edit because I didn't want to violate the rules of edit warring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahmoud9896 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I moved the section from the lede to nest under the heading "Views." I hope this will do two things- 1. reduce undue weight on only one of Ahmed's views (this will require more views to be included in that section, however), and 2. reduce the non-constructive edits that focus on the topic of veiling Lastchapter (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)