Talk:Lesedi La Rona

Units

@Archon 2488: While I can see the usefulness of adding conversions to grams and ounces for comparison with other objects in the first mention of the size of the stone, the infobox, and perhaps in the "1 million carat" case, it seems like extra unnecessary clutter elsewhere, since diamonds are universally talked about in carats. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I understand your point, but I think the extra "clutter" is made up for by the benefit in aiding readers' understanding of what the quantities mean. Wikipedia does follow standard real-world practice such as measuring diamonds in carats, but it also tries to make its content as accessible as possible by glossing terms that will be unfamiliar to many people and by adding unit conversions. Personally I find that a weight that isn't in grams doesn't mean much to me, for example, and I assume I'm not the only one. If you're not a jeweller it's unlikely you'll readily understand how heavy a given diamond is if it's measured in carats. Same story with aircraft flight levels in feet – conversions to metres are helpful because a lot of people don't have a ready understanding of elevations/altitudes in feet. Same with converting distances in the US to kilometres. So I don't think it detracts from the article to help readers understand what the measurements mean in more standard units. Archon 2488 (talk) 16:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

That's why I suggested the conversion remain in places where it was necessary for comparison with other things in the real world that are not measured in carats (the stone's weight itself at the top of the article and the infobox, as well as the million carat comment later). The other places, though, it seems that those are present only for comparison with the article's subject, which is easily done just in carats. That is, once the user sees that the Karowe is 1100 carats and equates that with 200 grams, the Cullinan weight of 3100 carats (without grams) is sufficient to understand that it is roughly 3x the size of the Karowe. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Trying to see if there were any guidelines about this I found "Quantities are typically expressed using an appropriate "primary unit", displayed first, followed, when appropriate, by a conversion in parentheses" at WP:UNIT, so not much help there. But, having written most of the text and followed the development of the article from day one, I have to agree with Archon 2488 that the conversions should be kept in all places. The article received an enormous attention during the first week (over 88,000 views) and no one else objected to the use of constant conversions. On the contrary, the convert templates were improved upon. People were curious and wanted instant info without having to do much thinking. I would normally have articles as sleek and aesthetically pleasant as possible, but this article is very much about numbers at this stage and rather short since it is a new discovery. As the stone picks up some history and more facts about the discovery becomes available, all the numbers will become "diluted" by that text and the article will look a better. (See other articles on noted diamonds). I think it would seem silly to remove the extra units here just because the article is still rather new, short and dense, only to put them back once the text has grown. w.carter-Talk 11:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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