Talk:Liam Payne/Archive 1
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Comments from AfC reviewers
Comment: Preserving decline trail in case any 1D fans want to have another go at creating a separate article for Payne. Rankersbo (talk) 09:02, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: For better or worse, the community have decided to have details on Payne at List of One Direction members#Liam_Payne. Creating a separate article for Payne is a matter for discussion at Talk:List_of_One_Direction_members and can't be done through Articles for Creation. LukeSurl t c 13:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: As much as the submitter admires the subject, the citations provided do not establish his independent notability for inclusion. Alanl (talk) 19:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: There are no relibale sources to this. Wikipedia, and the one direction wiki are not reliable sources. One Direction are a notable pop act, and as such Payne has a section on that article, but for Liam to have his own page you need to show that he has noteriety in his own right, through references to news stories. Rankersbo (talk) 09:35, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Although he seems to have gotten some attention since starting a solo path, he may still be best known for the group and thus there may not be much for a separate article yet. SwisterTwister talk 06:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Requests for article creation
I came across this draft after some requests on Talk:Liam Payne to create an article. I wonder if it was still the opinion of @Rankersbo, LukeSurl, and Alanl: that this article is not yet ready for creation? I'm not sure it is necessary to get consensus at Talk:List of One Direction members before the article can be created ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert on the corner of popular culture 1D exist in, my comments were based purely on the merits of the draft itself, not of Payne. I mean now I can name Styles and Malik off the top of my head, the others I'd have to look up.
- Basically at the time of my comment above, it had already been decided that Payne should redirect to 1D and the draft presented did nothing to persuade me otherwise. I see and hear nothing to change my mind, but my opinion is not strongly held and should not stand in the way of article creation. Rankersbo (talk) 12:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- Like Rankersbo I know little of 1D. However I am aware that they are a "big deal", and that the lack of a dedicated Liam Payne article is clearly a deliberate choice by editors rather than an accidental "gap" in the encyclopaedia. That is why I directed the draft creator here to open a splitting discussion at Talk:List_of_One_Direction_members which would presumably catch the attention of whichever editors were involved in that choice. AfC does not appear to be the correct forum for this discussion, as it would not involve the involved editors, and any decision to approve would bulldoze over that (presumed) consensus. However this draft seems well-made and should be retained and used if a choice is made to have a dedicated Liam Payne article. --LukeSurl t c 12:50, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: If attempts to start a discussion at Talk:List of One Direction members or Talk:Liam Payne are receiving no attention from such editors then perhaps it is time to be WP:BOLD and make the article. However this will be quite a bold step, so I'd spruce up the article as much as possible first. The lead in this draft is a little messy and overlong. A few sections of this draft go too much into detail of the format of X-factor. --LukeSurl t c 11:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- We could apply WP:BOLD, but in situations like this I'd probably advise an editor to bring the draft up to spec, and then take it to WP:DRV. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:10, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, do you suggest that I rework the draft and then submit it to WP:DRV for consideration. Thank you for taking your time to discuss this topic. Beecee14 (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yes I think that would be the best option. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:44, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, do you suggest that I rework the draft and then submit it to WP:DRV for consideration. Thank you for taking your time to discuss this topic. Beecee14 (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- We could apply WP:BOLD, but in situations like this I'd probably advise an editor to bring the draft up to spec, and then take it to WP:DRV. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:10, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: If attempts to start a discussion at Talk:List of One Direction members or Talk:Liam Payne are receiving no attention from such editors then perhaps it is time to be WP:BOLD and make the article. However this will be quite a bold step, so I'd spruce up the article as much as possible first. The lead in this draft is a little messy and overlong. A few sections of this draft go too much into detail of the format of X-factor. --LukeSurl t c 11:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- Latte 49.196.46.89 (talk) 04:12, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Like Rankersbo I know little of 1D. However I am aware that they are a "big deal", and that the lack of a dedicated Liam Payne article is clearly a deliberate choice by editors rather than an accidental "gap" in the encyclopaedia. That is why I directed the draft creator here to open a splitting discussion at Talk:List_of_One_Direction_members which would presumably catch the attention of whichever editors were involved in that choice. AfC does not appear to be the correct forum for this discussion, as it would not involve the involved editors, and any decision to approve would bulldoze over that (presumed) consensus. However this draft seems well-made and should be retained and used if a choice is made to have a dedicated Liam Payne article. --LukeSurl t c 12:50, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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The closer of Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 October 11#Liam Payne wrote: "The consensus here is that AfC is where this should be decided, and that the three year old AfD result is not binding on a new article getting created via the AfC process."
The subject clearly passes Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles, which notes: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself."
Here are several examples sources in the draft:
1. http://www.inquisitr.com/2008232/liam-payne-now-writing-post-zayn-1d-songs-guess-next-album-title/
Although the draft is imperfect, Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required.
As an uninvolved editor, I accept this article from Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Would an admin move Draft:Liam Payne to Liam Payne, which is protected? Pinging User:JohnCD and User:MSGJ.
Cunard (talk) 05:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Cunard: I have unprotected Liam Payne, so you can go ahead and accept the draft. JohnCD (talk) 09:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Done It didn't just need unprotection; Liam Payne and Talk:Liam Payne also needed to be deleted to make way for the page move. I've made the move now. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Mr. Stradivarius. It seems that common sense has prevailed here (eventually) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you all. Cunard (talk) 04:29, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2016
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In Liam Payne's personal life section, there has been no mention of Sophia Smith, whom he dated for a very long period of time, or Cheryl Cole, whom he has been rumored to be dating. I suggest you to do the needful edits asap x 60.243.200.217 (talk) 09:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2016
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Please add to Personal Life-Liam rekindled with fellow classmate, Sophia Smith, after running into each other at a mutual friend's party in the summer of 2013. The couple began dating in August 2013 until their split in October 2015. Softball4lifee (talk) 05:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — JJMC89 (T·C) 11:42, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
References
Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2016
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Liam Payne left One Direction on July 21, 2016
Funkiller1996 (talk) 00:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2016
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177.134.176.89 (talk) 19:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 22:43, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Genres sourced
Well since Liam Payne is going on a solo career his genres might as well be added which are pop and R&B I'm mostly having trouble sourcing R&B so I will leave it unsourced and if someone could please source R&B on his page on my behalf that would be great thanks Desertrose42526 (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2017
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In "making it among one of the best-selling singles of all time" why don't you just delete "among" - I hate to see this classical "among one" editing mistake again and again on Wikipedia. 87.226.39.155 (talk) 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2017
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Wedensday 22th of march Liam and his girlfriend Cheryl became parents to a little boy called Bear Grey Payne. Sofiedannerfjord (talk) 19:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
@Sofiedannerfjord: 
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Murph9000 (talk) 20:15, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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Genres
Please add his genre to his page and bio thank you Fakedhabitat (talk) 07:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Ruthie
How old is Ruthie Payne from Lovely Ruthie's Lovely Stuff in Chigwell? I think Ruthie is Doniya and Gemma. How old is Nicola? I think Nicola is Taylor Swift. --2606:A000:4AC8:1100:A92A:4E5E:F25:BB4B (talk) 21:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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Liam Payne is currently the only African American 1D member, being 20% black Reagananna (talk) 02:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2017
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ADD Liam's "partner" to be Cheryl Ann Tweedy FROM 2016-Present BECAUSE they are together and this is seen in her wiki profile but not in Liam's which is inconsistent. Scottmitchell07 (talk) 14:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: His infobox doesn't support that parameter. For more on what is infobox see Help:infobox — Ammarpad (talk) 14:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2018
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Hello, was just intending to edit this page to update a certification for "Bedroom Floor", as in Australia it was recently certified Gold by the Australian Recording Industry Association (certified on the 31st of July 2018). Link here: http://www.aria.com.au/pages/SinglesAccreds2018.htm Sean Stephens (talk) 23:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Liam/Birthday
Liam's 27 Birthday Is Today And Before Today In The Age There Was 27 When He Was 26. DSOFOreverTYU (talk) 13:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I Meant Age/Birthday C (talk) 13:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, DSOFOreverTYU It's not clear what you wanted to say. Birth date is changed automatically after completion. There is no need of editing it manually. Thanks Brown Chocolate (talk) 15:53, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2021
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liam is handsome 62.197.164.18 (talk) 07:28, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:00, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2021
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Liam is a known supporter of West Bromwich Albion Football Club. 213.31.57.2 (talk) 22:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2023
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191.106.202.39 (talk) 14:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC) liam payne and maya henry broke up a long time ago, liam has a new partner
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2024
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he died today 199.27.253.170 (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Done per sources above Troutfarm27 (Talk) 22:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Found dead 16/10/24 82.9.9.251 (talk) 22:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Already done Troutfarm27 (Talk) 22:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2024 (3)
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Change 'is' to 'was' 84.64.74.136 (talk) 22:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Already done Οἶδα (talk) 22:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove he was the best looking of the 1d’ers the man just passed away 173.64.5.208 (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 22:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove "he was the [I forgot the words] of the 1D'ers" Melaniee27 (talk) 22:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disregard
- Someone already fixed it. Melaniee27 (talk) 22:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2024 (6)
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I wanna change the photo to the one from 2011 2.49.182.178 (talk) 23:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}}template. MadGuy7023 (talk) 23:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2024 (2)
I want to edit False accusations about Liam Payne — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:9443:A101:C80D:9C22:13BC:414 (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: You need to request specific changes. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Gideonrmt (talk) 02:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Can we take out the photo in philanthropy?
It's the exact same photo in his infobox and feels redundant 205.186.52.209 (talk) 12:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- great observation. Have made these changes. :) Mermer321 (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Tense change needed
"He has also been in the studio with producer and performing artist Pharrell Williams" should now be "He was also in the studio with producer and performing artist Pharrell Williams". 150.143.27.224 (talk) 11:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Have updated this section. :) Mermer321 (talk) 12:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2024 (3)
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Delete "Shawn Mendes" in the tributes section. As of now, he hasn't publicly stated anything about his death. 187.207.8.162 (talk) 03:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think this was (technically) already completed; the "tributes" section has been removed entirely. Afddiary (talk) 08:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Death Rumour
Notable Argentinean medium "Corta" has just published a news article claiming Liam died there? https://corta.com/tambien-importa/fallecio-liam-payne-ex-one-direction-argentina-n25465 Salvadorp2001 (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Adding another source
- https://www.infobae.com/teleshow/2024/10/16/murio-liam-payne-ex-cantante-de-one-direction-se-cayo-desde-el-tercer-piso-de-un-hotel-en-palermo/ Andresitorresm (talk) 21:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Multiple major newspapers in Argentina are also confirming this so it must be true.
- https://www.clarin.com/espectaculos/murio-liam-payne-one-direction-cayo-tercer-piso-hotel-buenos-aires_0_slRgf7MGUz.html
- https://www.lanacion.com.ar/espectaculos/murio-liam-payne-el-ex-cantante-de-one-direction-en-un-hotel-de-la-ciudad-de-buenos-aires-nid16102024/ Οἶδα (talk) 21:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- nope it isn't a rumour, he actually died. TheWikiGuy19 (talk) 23:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rumours are not necessarily false, just unverified
Scaledish! Talkish? Statish.00:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC) - At 21:10 UTC on 16 October this was still just a newspost by one (not particularly major) agency Salvadorp2001 (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rumours are not necessarily false, just unverified
Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2024 (4)
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Delete photo under ‘death’ 2A02:C7C:A3C:9500:4451:EF30:6F61:B42B (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: why? Cannolis (talk) 22:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Is adding his passing really necessary?
This seems so far like an unsourced contribution to the topic, namely because it's pretty much only been one hour with what could be described as rumors at best. 190.12.77.19 (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if you take a look at the top of the main page, there is a banner, I believe, indicating the page is currently being heavily edited while the best and most appropriate sources are being found.
- That said, currently Reuters is the leading source for Payne's passing, and I believe they're a pretty reputable and trusted source. Lafi90 (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess we would follow the advice of waiting for a consensus. I hope that he will rest in peace though. It is heart-breaking to learn of his death! Steven1991 (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- i also feel all of these informations about his death are too much for a wikipedia page. 85.106.70.191 (talk) 18:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Death
Liam Payne died on October 16. It has been noted that this may have been because of legal trouble with his ex girlfriend Maya Henry. 148.137.221.147 (talk) 07:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- A reference to an impeccably reliable source would be required to add that. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- The reports I've seen all refer to the Daily Mail and People as where they got the info, which aren't reliable sources, as well as Henry's TikTok account. Until we get some independent reliable reporting, it's best to keep the legal issues out of this article. Fences&Windows 08:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- In the Evening Standard: [1] Fences&Windows 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Change the photo
profile photo is not a good one. MayoForSam2023 (talk) 13:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Duplicate links
This article has several duplicate links, Zayn Malik being the most prominent example. Is this necessary? 150.143.27.224 (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Lead Image
Now that Payne has sadly passed away, I think the lead image should be an image of him during One Direction's prime, as this best represents his legacy and highlights him as a star of the band's peak, which he is best known for. I nominate the 2012 image of Payne in Sydney that is already on the page, just not as the lead image, as it showcases him at the height of his and his band's popularity.
We can of course keep the current 2016 lead image on the page further down the page. 92.236.118.94 (talk) 18:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2024
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Edit: "he jumped" to "he fell" 143.179.120.30 (talk) 05:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2024 (2)
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Change “having jumped” (regarding his death) to “fell”
at this point it is not confirmed if he jumped or just fell. Jumping would include a conscious suicide. Again, this is not confirmed. Randomcan (talk) 05:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2024 (3)
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Under personal life it says he lived in Buckinghamshire until his death and cites his home with Maya as the source. This is outdated. He had moved to Miami with Kate towards the end of his life as she wanted to be closer to her friends and family 2603:7000:C400:C:89D2:DEC4:176A:E0A5 (talk) 06:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Partly done: I have removed that sentence, [6] since the cited source clearly doesn't support it (it cites a 2020 article to try to verify a claim about "from 2022 until his death"). I did not add the bit about Miami—do you have a reliable source which verifies that? Mz7 (talk) 08:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Incorrect content
In the brief about his death it repeatedly stated that he fell from his hotel balcony. This is not accurate. All official reports indicate that he intentionally jumped to his death. 2600:1008:B1CC:11C2:CD8B:977B:20AC:4502 (talk) 13:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Provide a reliable source to support that. Gideonrmt (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2024
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Is it possible to remove the part about the TMZ photo on the death section? This might encourage people to look for and spread the images of his dead body which is highly inappropriate 2603:7000:C400:C:6F08:9E8D:4AF3:B04F (talk) 03:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: Wikipedia is not censored. FifthFive (talk) 04:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2024
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I want to add a category tag of “Drug-related deaths in Argentina” as since in the Toxicology report shows he had drugs in his system during the time of his death. 2601:201:8300:8E30:F4CB:AB6C:1A14:852B (talk) 09:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: not covered in the article. M.Bitton (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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In the article’s ‘Death’ section, the arena where Horan played is mentioned, but it spelled as Moviestar Arena rather than the correct one, Movistar Arena 181.92.72.158 (talk) 00:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)