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The contents of the Life on Enceladus page were merged into Enceladus on 17 August 2015 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Merge to Enceladus. There is not enough information unique to this possibility of life on Enceladus to warrant a separate page on the subject. There might, in my opinion, be a page on the more general subject of life on icy moons with subsurface oceans, but the editor (DN-boards1) who created this page on life on Enceladus, and several other very similar pages, has chosen otherwise. Really, we don't need a fragmentation of Wiki into lots of micro pages. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 13:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Merge - Enceladus has a readable prose length of 39 kB, which, according to WP:SIZERULE puts it just barely in "length alone does not justify division" territory, but far from "may need to be divided" territory. I can't see anything else that could justify the division of the main Enceladus article. Contents of this article should go into Enceladus#Potential habitability or Enceladus#Subsurface water ocean if they are not already present in those sections. I also support Isambard Kingdom's idea of a general page about the potential habitability of the subsurface oceans of icy moons, which could be quite informative if done properly. A2soup (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Comment. Well that's assuming an article stays the same length it has at its inception. By this logic people shouldn't create any new articles then as basically all of them are pretty short at start. --Fixuture (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Oppose: Keep Europa and Enceladus, merge Callisto and Ganymede into a "Life on Galilean moons", with Life on Europa having a small section there while linking to the main article. DN-boards1 (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
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No evidence has been found to suggest present or past life yet. "Most likely place" is clear WP:CRYSTALBALL. Worth mentioning in another article, but certainly not worth its own article. A2soup (talk)
No evidence has been found to suggest present or past life yet. "Most likely place" is clear WP:CRYSTALBALL.
Well it's the talk page here. This can't go into the article of course - I attempted to explain why this article is notable.
Worth mentioning in another article, but certainly not worth its own article.
Comment. It's not just speculations but also scientific findings which are likely to grow within the next years/decade. Speculations should and are marked as such.
This "opposition" is ridiculous: User "Fixture" goes to the trouble to read transcribe the essence of why we can't make an article based on speculation (WP:CRYSTALBALL), and still he WP:DONTGETIT. I'm done with this and ask for the motion to merge this and all other similar articles made by DN-boards1. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
What exactly is your problem? Are you referring to point #3 of WP:CRYSTALBALL or a different one? I found #3 was the most relevant to this article so I assumed you referred to that one. And #3 doesn't state anything conflicting with this current article. To make that more clear I highlighted that it said "original research" and not "well-founded speculations by scientists concerned with the topic which are marked as such". It even goes on to say "Of course, we do and should have articles about notable artistic works, essays, or credible research that embody predictions."
Anyway WP:CRYSTALBALL is inappropiate for this article in general anyway as this article is not about the prediction of/speculation about future events but about a subject of ongoing research.
OK, I'll use plain language for those challenged: THERE IS NO DATA. So little green men will be notable, non fringe, non-crystal ball and will deserve their own article when biosignatures are discovered. I can't condense the 5 pillars of wikpedia any further. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
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