Talk:Lights (BTS song)

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:37, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that BTS became the first male foreign artist to receive a Million certification from the Recording Industry Association of Japan for their Japanese single "Lights"? [1][2][3]
  • ALT1:... that BTS's Japanese single "Lights" surpassed one million pre-orders in Japan and broke the 24-year old record of Celine Dion's 1995 single "To Love You More"? [4]
  • ALT2:... that the music video for BTS's Japanese single "Lights" explores "the concept of time and space"? [5]

• Reviewed: Calappa hepatica

5x expanded by Ashleyyoursmile (talk). Self-nominated at 19:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC).

• Hi, Ashleyyoursmile. You have 3 DYK credits to date and two more of your nominations have been approved and are waiting to be promoted. Please provide a QPQ for this one. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, Sure, I will do that and get back to you. Ashleyyoursmile! 07:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, QPQ done. Ashleyyoursmile! 04:46, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. Ready for review. Yoninah (talk) 06:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

• Hi again, Ashleyyoursmile. 5x expanded from 2 July, earwig's ok, the third source of the hook and ALT1's source are in Korean and Japanese respectively but are accepted in good faith. All three are interesting, but as someone who's not a BTS fan (sorry not sorry), I like ALT1 the most. Ready to go. Corachow (talk) 14:18, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Questions on recent expansion of page

Ashleyyoursmile the last sentence of the lede sounds sort of incomplete to me. Maybe you should include what Lights was awarded at the JGDA? It could be amended to read '...was awarded as one of the top 5 singles of the year at the 2020 Japan Gold Disc Awards (you left out the 's'). and moved to the end of the 2nd p'graph instead since that details how well it performed. The award would be a good cap on that. I can't add comments as part of the review so putting them here instead. Carlobunnie (talk) 01:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie:, I agree and was thinking of re-writing that part. I will go ahead to make that change like you suggested. Thank you. --Ashleyyoursmile! 04:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

One more tiny thing. In the lede, I think this sentence: "The lyrics are uplifting and find BTS calling out themselves and the listeners as each others' lights" needs rewording. Calling out someone (or oneself) means to hold them accountable for usually bad/wrong/negative actions, or criticism basically. I adjusted the initial mention in the BG+R section after your first set of improvement edits yesterday, but Idk if having it verbatim in the lede is good or not so I didn't adjust it there. Maybe it could read as 'and feature BTS singing about themselves and the listener as each other's lights' or something along that vein. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Yeah it was reading weird. I adjusted it and I think its looking better this way.--Ashleyyoursmile! 19:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Carlobunnie, This sentence At one point, the projector light scatters into tiny light particles, and then cuts to show Suga rapping and staring at some lights, has the word "lights" repeated three times, which is obviously reading weird. Do you think you can rephrase it, because I'm a bit unsure how it. --Ashleyyoursmile! 05:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I think it reads a bit better now. Where's a thesaurus when you need it 😂 -- Carlobunnie (talk) 06:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Carlobunnie, Many thanks! It does read much better now. I was literally running out of synonyms here lol. If you think that the other sections could do better with some copy-editing, please feel free to do that, I am grateful your time and help. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 06:27, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Coming later today --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:27, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Kyle Peake, Good to work with you again, thank you for taking up this review! I shall address the comments now. --Ashleyyoursmile! 17:55, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Why is there no referencing of the B-side in the infobox?

•  Done

• Wikilink Universal Music Japan to itself per MOS:LINK2SECT

•  Done

• "It was released as a double" → "The song was released as a double"

•  Done

• "It marked the band's first original" → "This marked the band's first original"

•  Done

• "since "Crystal Snow" (2017)." → "since 2017's "Crystal Snow"." to avoid repetitive wording with the body

•  Done

• ""Lights" was written by Sunny Boy, Yohei and" → "The song was written by Sunny Boy, Yohei, and"

•  Done

• "also handling production." → "solely handling production."

•  Done

• "featuring a heavy" → "featuring a" since this is too much info for the lead

•  Done

• "its lyrics describe BTS" → "the lyrics describe BTS"

•  Done

• "success in Japan. It debuted" → "success in Japan, debuting"

•  Done

• "The single also peaked at number one on" → "The song also peaked at the summit of"

•  Done

• "single of 2019 in Japan. The single" → "single of 2019 in Japan and"

•  Done

• Following targets seem like overlinking; only use one

•  Done

• "only one month after its release," → "only a month after release,"

•  Done

• "It was later awarded as one" → "The song was later awarded as one"

•  Not done The song was not awarded as one of the best singles but the single album was, as mentioned in the prose.

• Well, replace "It" with "The single album" then --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• "The video was met with a positive reception..." remove this sentence since there are not enough reviews to back it up

•  Done

• "It was the band's first Japanese single" → "The song was BTS' first Japanese single"

•  Done

• "BTS performed the song live" → "The band performed "Lights" live"

•  Done

Background and release

• Retitle to Background and composition; I will provide further instructions relevant to this

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on extended play

•  Done

• "single, "Lights" would be" → "single "Lights" would be"

•  Done

• Target Korean-language to Korean language

•  Done

• "marked the band's first original" → "marked BTS' first original"

•  Done

• "receive a music video after" → "receive a music video, after" with the appropriate wikilink

•  Done

• "It was mixed by D.O.I," → "The song was mixed by D.O.I,"

•  Done

• Start a new para after this sentence

•  Done

• "It is an" → ""Lights" is an"

•  Done

• Wikilink should be on dance music instead

•  Done

• "at a tempo of 99 beats per minutes," → "with a tempo of 99 beats per minute,"

•  Done

• The word light should not be in speech marks

•  Done

• The following para should be the beginning of the following section instead

•  Done

• "was made available as a digital single" → "was made available for digital download and streaming as a single" with the target

•  Done

• Wikilink Universal Music Japan to itself

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on the album and the release year brackets

•  Done

• "It was released as a" → "The song was released as a"

•  Done

• "by the same record label," → "through the aforementioned record label,"

•  Done

• "different limited editions:" → "different limited editions;"

•  Done

• "and "Boy with Luv" as double A-side and" → "and "Boy with Luv" as a double A-side, and"

•  Done

• "with a DVD containing" → "with a DVD that contains"

•  Done

• "the music video of" → "the music video for"

•  Done

• "while the final edition C contains" → "while C contains" since edition is stated earlier in this sentence

•  Done

Reception

• Retitle to Release and reception, with the para that I asked you to move from the first section as the opening one here

•  Done

Critical response and awards

• Remove this sub-section; instead have it as the second para of the section

•  Done

• "received generally favourable reviews" → "was met with generally favourable reviews"

•  Done

• "complimented the band's" → "complimented BTS'"

•  Done

• "also shared a similar view," → "shared a similar view,"

•  Done

• Wikilink single album to itself

•  Done

• Are you sure the awards should be in speech marks?

•  Done

• "received the "Song of the Year by Download (Asia)" award" → "was awarded "Song of the Year by Download (Asia)"" whether or not speech marks are kept

•  Done

• Remove the table as that is only two awards from one ceremony

•  Done

Commercial performance

• This can be its own section, directly below the Release and reception one

•  Done

• "selling over 467,000 copies." → "selling 467,107 copies." since it is better to report exact stats when they are known

•  Done

• "by the band's previous" → "by their previous"

•  Done

• Spacing should be next to the slash in the single album title for consistency

•  Done

• "454,829 copies" claim does not appear to be backed up

•  Done

• This is still not backed up by any of the citations. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

•  Done I added a ref. to this. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• "crossed one million copies" → "crossed 1,000,000 copies"

•  Done

• The claim that this was the first time a foreign artist achieved a million shipments is false, since it is the first time Dion 24 years ago; reword accordingly

•  Done changed "foreign" to "Korean"

• "maintained its number one spot" → "remained at number one on"

•  Done

• Are you sure they are "copies" or "physical copies"? Don't change if the latter is indeed correct...

•  Done Yes, kept it as it is

• Remove target on Oricon Weekly Singles Chart

•  Done

• "on the chart issue dated" → "for the chart issue dated"

•  Done

• [19] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [20][21]

•  Done

• "At year end," → "For the year end chart,"

•  Done

• "the Japan Hot 100- a chart operated by Billboard magazine- on" → "the Billboard Japan Hot 100 for the chart issue date of"

•  Done

• Mention how many places it rose by maybe?

•  Done mentioned that

• "of July 22," → "of July 22, 2019."

•  Done

• "before dropping to number 16..." remove this and [26] since it is violating WP:CHARTS

•  Done

• "the Recording Industry Association of Japan (RIAJ) denoting shipments of one million copies," → "the Recording Industry Association of Japan (RIAJ), denoting shipments of 1,000,000 copies,"

•  Done is this because of MOS:NUM?

• Yes, well spotted of you. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• ""A Thousand Winds". It was the band's first million certification" → ""A Thousand Winds"; it was the first time the band attained the certification"

•  Done

• Keep the target the same but rename the chart to US World Digital Songs

•  Done

• Wikilink should be on the record chart part of the words instead, but don't change the actual prose

•  Done

• "in Scotland at number 73," → "in Scotland at number 73 on the Scottish Singles Chart,"

•  Done

• Target New Zealand Top 40 to Official New Zealand Music Chart

•  Done

Music video and promotion

• Remove wikilink on music video

•  Done

• "released on the same platform" → "released via the same platform"

•  Done

• "of a film called" → "of a film titled"

•  Done

• "In following scene," → "In the following scene," though this sentence does not appear to be properly backed up

•  Done provided source

• "In some of these scenes," → "In some of the scenes,"

•  Done

• "the movie featuring themselves on screen." → "the film, which features themselves, on screen."

•  Done

• "of time and space"," → "of time and space,""

•  Done

• "as they interact" → "while they interact"

•  Done

• Does not appear to be backed up that Suga was rapping

•  Done added source

• "while they float around" → "while the particles float around"

•  Done

• "In her review for Celebmix, Ellie Nicholas called the video" → "In her review for CelebMix, Ellie Nicholas called the music video"

•  Done

• "that "matches the" → "that it "matches the"

•  Done

• "similar sentiments and labelled the clip" → "similar sentiments, labeling the clip"

•  Done

• The source does not say when in November 2019 the live performance was

•  Done added supporting source

• "as a part of their fifth Japanese fan-meeting" → "as part of their fifth Japanese fan-meeting"

•  Done

• The source does not say that there was a performance on December 14 as well as 15

•  Done added supporting source

Track listings and formats

• Retitle to Track listings

•  Done

• Cite [9] in place of [4]

•  Done

• Why is "hitman" bang not capitalised on the second mention?

•  Done

• "Boys with Luv" and "Idol" should not be targeted after their respective first times in this section

•  Done

• Where is Limited Edition C?

•  Done Added

Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

Weekly charts

• Japan (Hot 100) → Japan Hot 100 (Billboard)

•  Done

• Target World Digital Songs to World Digital Song Sales

•  Done

Year-end charts

• Japan (Hot 100) → Japan Hot 100 (Billboard)

•  Done

Certifications

• Good

Release history

• Add the Version col, citing the first two as Original version and I will explain further below

•  Done I have named the col as Edition, cited the first one as Regular instead of Original, since the source mentions Regular

• Refs should be centered

•  Done

• Add streaming next to digital download with the target

•  Done

• Wikilink Universal Music Group to itself

•  Done

• The first CD + DVD release should be named as Limited Edition A under version, while add Limited Edition B appropriately to the table and C if you can

•  Done

See also

• Good

References

• Sweet job with the archiving
• Copyvio score looks amazing at 10.7%!
• Remove Variety Staff from refs 1 and 29

•  Done

• MOS:CAPS issues with ref 6

•  Done

• Army should not be capitalised, fix this. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

•  Done --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:38, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• Citations regarding the digital release of "Lights / Boy with Luv" by BTS in various countries → Citations regarding the digital release of "Lights / Boy with Luv" by BTS in various countries: on ref 9, plus some of the citations for foreign languages are not titled appropriately so fix that

•  Done but couldn't find anything wrong with the foreign language titles

• Take the Japanese citation being titled "Lights / Boy with Luv – Single by BTS" for example, since it is actually titled elsewise; there are others to fix too --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Sorry but I don't think that's possible to add. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:38, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• Cite Idolator as publisher instead for ref 11

•  Done

• OSEN → Osen on ref 18

•  Done

• Lights/Boy with Luv Cumulative sales: → "Lights / Boy with Luv" Cumulative sales: on ref 21

•  Done

• Cite Oricon News as publisher instead for ref 31

•  Done

• Celebmix → CelebMix on ref 40

•  Done

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold but sorry about the delayed response. --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, I have left a few comments above and have addressed the rest per your suggestion. Let me know if anything else needs to be added / fixed. Thank you so much for reviewing this. --Ashleyyoursmile! 17:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

• DEEPPINK I did some copyediting but some issues still need fixing, which instructions will be provided for above. Also, only the refs should be centered in the release history table, plus are you sure hlist can't be replaced with bullet points under Track listings? --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: I have centered the references. Not sure if comma could act as a substitute for hlist? I'm a bit wary of bullet points here. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold but sorry about the delayed response. --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, I have left a few comments above and have addressed the rest per your suggestion. Let me know if anything else needs to be added / fixed. Thank you so much for reviewing this. --Ashleyyoursmile! 17:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

• Ashleyyoursmile I did some copyediting but some issues still need fixing, which instructions will be provided for above. Also, only the refs should be centered in the release history table, plus are you sure hlist can't be replaced with bullet points under Track listings? --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: I have centered the references. Not sure if comma could act as a substitute for hlist? I'm a bit wary of bullet points here. --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Ashleyyoursmile: No it is fine, you can keep as not bullet point since that isn't an infobox; I have fixed the titles and listed instructions in my revision for future reference. ✓ Pass now, congrats on the quick and professional response! --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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