Talk:List of Beast Wars characters

Protoforms

I did not list anything special for the Maximal protoforms that were converted to Predacons, as this did not have any impact on the fiction. The exception is Rampage, who is depicted as more of a prisoner than a passanger/crew member, as well as being the only protoform in the animated series to be shown to have an existing personality. Also, I had enough hassle correlating the info that's already here. If anyone thinks that info is relevant, let me know.

Also, in general, this page was a massive amount of work, so please discuss any major changes, that would be appreciated. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Should List of Beast Wars and Beast Machines characters be redirected? --Izno (talk) 18:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

My plan was to do a multi-AfD for List of Beast Wars and Beast Machines characters, List of Beast Wars II characters, List of Beast Wars Neo characters, List of Maximals, List of Predacons, Vehicon and List of Beast Wars Toys. Once this page was fully up to snuff. I figure if a character is notable enough to have sourced personality and fictional history information, they should have their own page. Otherwise, the info in this table is as much as most people will ever need. I created the template {{collapse cell}} so that people could list as many toys as they like without it upsetting the template. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:15, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you have an opinion on that? Or are there specific changes you would suggest (other than the minor table fixes you've already done, thanks for that BTW)? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:03, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

My suggestion would be that since this list in on Wikipedia, the lead needs to be rewritten, so that the information is more encyclopedic, regarding Beast Wars and the characters contained in this list. See the Manual of Style for stand-alone lists for more information, specifically the "using this table" section, which while useful, does not belong in an encyclopedia article. Fortdj33 (talk) 00:17, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

(e/c)Ok, thanks for that. I just threw that text in after staring at table code and Transformers until my brain melted. I'll fix it once my cognitive and motor function has fully returned. Do you have any opinion about the table itself, or whether it should supplant the existing lists? I realize that there is work to be done on it, but are there any glaring omissions or formatting problems that prevent this list from supplanting the other lists? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 00:38, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Also see the Manual of Style for embedded lists, because presenting too much statistical data in list format is against Wikipedia policy. Fortdj33 (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

So you're saying that you think the other lists are preferable? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 00:38, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

No, I personally like the way that you've consolidated the information from the various lists. But the way that you've presented it, is not in line with the manual of style for lists on Wikipedia. If you can re-write the lead to conform to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, and incorporate the "Using this table" section into the table itself, then it will make the article much more encyclopedic. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thank God. It was a massive amount of work, and I thought you were saying the whole thing was a waste of time. I just threw those paragraphs together at the last minute, and I will get to work fixing them tomorrow or the next day. Also the image having so much caption text poses an issue with a 100%-width table, so I'll probably have to rethink that too. If you can think of any better text in the meantime, by all means... ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 03:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

You've added a tag that says "This article contains embedded lists that may be poorly defined, unverified or indiscriminate." In what way is this true? Also, Wikipedia:NOT#STATS says "Long and sprawling lists of statistics may be confusing to readers and reduce the readability and neatness of our articles. In addition, articles should contain sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context for a general reader." That is done here. "In cases where this may be necessary... consider using tables to enhance the readability of lengthy data lists." Also done. How is this not an improvement to the lists that existed previously, that contained only in-universe information duplicated across 4-5 pages? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 00:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Alternate beast forms?

I didn't look through this too thoroughly, so sorry if you've addressed this, but I know that Optimus Primal had a toy with a bat beast form and Megatron had one as an alligator. I don't know if there are others that change beast form from toy to toy within a franchise, just wondered if you'd considered including it. Snakebyte42 (talk) 05:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Descriptions

The descriptions of the characters listed on the article are simply awful. All they consist of is what the characters transform to, which should be already apparent from the article. Besides that, the descriptions are rife with typos and punctuation errors. I could try to fix that, but right now I'm too tired (it's the middle of the night here in Finland). JIP | Talk 22:44, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

What about Apelinq?

I know he's in the new movie. Not sure about before that. Jason Quinn (talk) 02:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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