Talk:List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winning managers

By nationality

My original idea, and as implemented at UEFA cup winners, was to list nationality by number of winning managers, not number of wins. MickMacNee (talk) 16:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Well no explanatory notes were provided so now I've cleared the situation up with a statement so the table is less ambiguous. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The only manager to win it three times

Why is it that there are several photos of winning managers, but none of Bob Paisley? Surely if the likes of Mourinho with his paltry single winners medal can have their picture on this page then the only manager to have three winners medals as a manager deserves to be up there - I've not bothered doing this myself, as I am sick of making valid alterations to pages only for some muppet to revert them with some bogus explanation to cover their own personal bias (P.S. I'm not a Liverpool fan, but surely this is common sense?)86.8.251.131 (talk) 19:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Get a free photo and fine. Otherwise quit your "muppet" speak. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

real madrid

real madrid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.126.229.226 (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

By Nationality

Surely including both England and the United Kingdom is a bit redundant... Wouldn't it seem more appropriate to either include just the United Kingdom or to have England/Scotland/Wales/N. Ireland with separate statistics, but not have the UK as a separate country... — Preceding unsigned comment added by MIOC1 (talk • contribs) 06:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Mistake?

The "by nationality" table says English managers have won 8 times but there are only 7 instances given in the table above it.2A02:C7F:6C1F:6E00:A0C8:781B:EBD4:F9D8 (talk) 20:50, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Inter Milan and AC Milan

Why is "Internazionale" and "Milan" preferred over "Inter Milan" and "A.C. Milan" here? Jenny Jankel (talk) 19:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Its the same on 2018–19 Serie A and almost everywhere else, so why not? Snowflake91 (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, why not? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:03, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Because most sources use "Inter Milan" and "A.C. Milan". Maybe all the articles were edited by the same user? Jenny Jankel (talk) 09:19, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Both sources in "external links" on this page are using "Milan" and "Internazionale". Snowflake91 (talk) 10:17, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Manager replaced during winning season

I think that managers that were replaced during the winning season (assuming that they managed at least one EC/UCL game) deserve a footnote. Ron Saunders and André Villas-Boas spring to mind but there may be others so I will look into it. --Jameboy (talk) 14:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 17 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 15:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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• List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winning managers → List of UEFA Champions League winning managers
• History of the European Cup and UEFA Champions League → History of UEFA Champions League
• List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League finals → List of UEFA Champions League finals
• European Cup and UEFA Champions League records and statistics → UEFA Champions League records and statistics
• List of UEFA Cup and Europa League finals → List of Europa League finals

– The European Cup was the previous name of the UEFA Champions League, and likewise, the UEFA Cup changed its name to become the Europa League. I think it's not necessary to use both names of the same competition in a page title because they refer to the same thing and could make the title appear verbose. I'd say it's comparable to "History of Facebook" not being "History of TheFacebook and Facebook". Ae245 (talk) 06:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Oppose I don't think it's comparable to Facebook. The competition was known as the European Cup for over 30 years and is still referred to as the European Cup despite the rebranding, even if it is somewhat informal. I don't see a pressing need to change the title of these pages. NapHit (talk) 10:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it may be referred to as the former name but the status quo makes it seem like there's two separate competitions when they're both the same thing. It's not like the previous name is reduced to dust by making this change. It only establishes that the Champions League is the current name of the European Cup and makes it clear there isn't two separate competitions. Ae245 (talk) 04:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

That's made clear in the lead, so I don't think it's going to mislead anyone. NapHit (talk) 09:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

You're right it refers to pretty much the same competition, but there's an European Cup era and Champions League era: and yes, you can call CL a EC, but not the other way around. That's way it says both in the title. If we stick to only "Champions League" it may seem that we're only referring to post-1992 era. So in my opinion it should stay the way it is. Red Devil (talk) 11:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

The goal is to reduce verbosity. The content isn't lost just because it's not described in the title. To have both competitions in the title makes it look like a situation involving two different competitions and not two names of the same competition. Ae245 (talk) 04:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

It is known that when you say the statistics of the UEFA Champions League, the intent is the statistics of the new version that began in 1992. In Wikipedia, we must be accurate so as not to cause confusion. The article is special in all versions of the tournament since its inception in 1955, so it is necessary not to change the title of the article. --Mishary94 (talk) 11:03, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I think it's usually in the supporter domain UCL refers to the competition post-1992. Officially, both eras are referred to as the UCL. Ae245 (talk) 04:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Actually no, both eras can be referred as European Cup, but Champions League is only since 1992. That's because format was changed from knockout stages to LEAGUE format. In 1992–93 and 1993–94 Champions League name was used only for group stage and later's semi-finals stage. That's why I'm also opppose. Red Devil (talk) 06:29, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Format changes doesn't mean anything. Like, there's a new format this season which will see 36 teams in the group stages, compared to the 32 before. It doesn't mean it's a whole new competition, different from the one last season. Ae245 (talk) 08:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

You're right, and that's why it doesn't change name. Some similarities to your case could be seen in the Premier League and old Football League First Division - both are/were top division, so basically the same competition, but some records and statistics are exclusive to PL (Premier League records and statistics#Wins) and other to all-time top division (Football records and statistics in England#Wins). When you say "most wins in Premier League history" you mean post-1992; when you mention "most wins in English league/top flight history" you men all from the beginning. It's one-to-one example wich UCL and EC.

I see what you mean, because those names and titles are long, but for many fans, records with specific name of the UEFA Champions League are only specific to post-1992 era - which is logical, because Champions League didn't exist prior to 1992. That's why, if any change, I would rather go other way around and change it to European Cup, because that's at least correct name. But still, for arguments placed above and because some statistics and records are specific to only UCL era, we should leave it as it is. Cheers! :) Red Devil (talk) 11:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per comments above. If there is an issue with the name, why not split the articles into their historical eras? GiantSnowman 18:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

  Because they're not separate. They should be together and they should be referred to as one primary name. Ae245 (talk) 04:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Changing the name in this way would also change the scope of the list as the Champions League didn't exist prior to 1992 otherwise we would be rewriting history. In this case, trying to find a more CONCISE title is not possible as it would not be PRECISE. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 07:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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