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Is there a reason why this list does not contain domestic Galliformes such as the chicken and turkey?__DrChrissy (talk) 18:25, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Nope, I've just been using the IUCN Red List so far and they only include wild animals. List of carnivorans by population includes the domestic dog. But they're listed by species (hence binomial name), so it's best to include it under Gallus gallus instead of Gallus gallus domesticus, I think. Just needs a note explaining that (Speaking of which I need to do that with the domestic dog). But yeah, go nuts! PhnomPencil (✉) 21:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
OK - I'll see if I can find the numbers. All the best. __DrChrissy (talk) 18:33, 16 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Cheers, Dr. PhnomPencil (✉) 23:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Our chicken article gives the population of domestic chickens as 'more than 24 billion in 2003', according to Firefly Encyclopedia of Birds, Ed. Perrins, Christopher. Buffalo, N.Y.: Firefly Books, Ltd., 2003. Any reason not to just use that figure here? --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
No reason not to. Go for it! PhnomPencil (✉) 18:00, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
So, as a US publication, presumably this is referring to the US use of the word 'billion' - i.e. 24,000,000,000, as opposed to 24,000,000,000,000? --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 18:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Yes, that would be 3-4 chickens per person, makes sense. PhnomPencil (✉) 18:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Looks great! Love seeing additions like this. PhnomPencil (✉) 18:18, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
No worries. I'd imagine that the figure for the wild Red Junglefowl is available somewhere or other too. Then there's the feral chickens to consider. Those might add a couple of million or so more to the figure... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Rounding errors... but important to mention the wild Gallus gallus figures in the notes once found. PhnomPencil (✉) 18:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Great to see the entry for Domestic chicken, but I found having it described as Red junglefowl in the left column a little confusing. I do appreciate they are the same species, but because they look so different and most people are unaware they are the same species, this might confuse some readers. We could have equally included a photo of an even more flamboyant domestic hen such as a Silkie bantam eg. File:Silky bantam.jpg which would really confuse people. Perhaps there should be seperate rows in the table for the Domestic chicken and the Red junglefowl with a note that they are in fact the same species?__DrChrissy (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC) ...Ooohps, deleted the link to the image. __DrChrissy (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

I put them together because they are (or are they?) technically the same species, but I do see how it could be confusing - I have no objections whatsoever to it being changed to something more suitable. I'm not very good at wikitables. Would it be possible to put the domestic Chicken on a separate row below the Red Junglefowl, but indented somewhat? If so, the same could be done for other domestics - turkeys, ducks, whatever... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Red junglefowl, laying hens and broilers (meat chickens) are all the same species (Gallus gallus), but clearly are very different animals in appearance, behaviour and physiology. Once we have appropriate reference/s, I'm sure we will find that laying hens are the most numerous of all birds on the planet, so we probably need to try to get the presentation clear and informative. I am also not very experienced at wikitables but I know that indents can be done. Would be good to hear the opinion of PhnomPencil on this matter__DrChrissy (talk) 18:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Has the theory that the Domestic Chicken has some genes from other closely-related species been discredited now? It's still mentioned at Chicken#Origins, with regards to the Grey Junglefowl, FWIW. That's what I was getting at with my comment... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:41, 21 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Just explain it fully in the notes... if you'd prefer I do it, well it's time for a pint of bitter; will do it tomorrow. PhnomPencil (✉) 02:16, 22 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Regarding the ancestral species...I had forgotten about the suggested influence of the Grey Junglefowl. I am certainly not an expert in this regard. I had always thought it was the Red Junglefowl only, however, I recently read about the Grey Junglewl potential influence but I certainly do not have the expertise to argue for or against the Grey Junglefowl. I know a couple of people who might be able to help - I will have a chat with them. The issue could avoided on this page at least by referring to Gallus gallus domesticus (egg-layer), and Gallus gallus domesticus (broiler) with no reference to ancestry. Regarding numbers, I think the following web-site might be helpful but I am having a few problems with it at the moment. http://faostat3.fao.org/home/index.html#HOME __DrChrissy (talk) 19:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ok, we can list them differently for now it you'd prefer. PhnomPencil (✉) 20:11, 22 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

So, the figures we need to do that are:
Red Junglefowl
  • Wild population (haven't been able to find)
Domestic chicken
  • Status (I don't think that there is one for a domesticated animal)
  • Population trend (should be out there somewhere)
That FAO site linked by DrChrissy is screwy for me too - by is there supposed to be stats on there about numbers of chickens for the whole world? Because I think that it would probably be original research/synthesis to just add up all the figures for the various countries listed... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 00:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
I used FAO site to update chickens and turkeys. The Chicken article gives it a different binomial from Red junglefowl, so I put it on its own line. Kim9988 (talk) 02:40, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Reply
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