Talk:List of Israeli museums

Links

There is no point in a list of museums unless links are provided.--Gilabrand (talk) 09:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you are saying. Are you saying that we should only have a list for museums that have blue links? —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 01:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

What is there to understand? A list of museums with no information about them is tantamount to OR. Even if there is no page about a certain museum, there should be a reference for each one (which will also provide information for starting a page).--Gilabrand (talk) 04:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

If you're saying that we should simply link each entry with its official website, then that should be done in the article body and not as footnotes, since most if not all museums have official websites. This has nothing to do with original research. If you want to provide sources for the article (a good initiative), you should find sites that talk about the museums, preferably ones with aggregate lists like this. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 10:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Topic column

If I have time, I plan to revert the edits made by Gilabrand to this column, as it was created on purpose to be sortable, and not it isn't. Please list any comments and objections here. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 01:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand what your problem is. Who and what is sorting for? The purpose of this list is to give readers information on museums. The previous information was either incomplete or wrong. Much of it is still incomplete and wrong. Who is being helped by that?--Gilabrand (talk) 04:27, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

No one said that there should be incorrect information; I was saying that you messed with the formatting of the list, so that it now can't be sorted by type. For example, if someone wants to only see the art museums in the list, they shouldn't have to sift through the whole thing (keep in mind that this list has the potential to have hundreds of entries). There is a way to present correct information without ruining the technical advantages of Wikipedia, you know. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 10:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

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How is this edit summary "There appears to be edit warring potential here. The name was modified to include the total scope of the article. Israeli is not the same as being in Israel. Clearly Israeli" a justification for removing "Below is a list of Israeli museums. Some of them are located in the occupied territories." and replacing it with "Below is a list of museums in Israel." ? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Good catch. Fixed.Cptnono (talk) 01:49, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Note that Israeli says "Something of, from, or related to the country of Israel".Cptnono (talk) 01:50, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

The sentence " Some of them are located in the occupied territories." is important to have in the lead to point out this fact. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:56, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I understand your concern but disagree. We do not need to highlight the political situation in a list that has no lead. However, if there was a proper lead with a fantastic introduction (as lists that reach FA have) then it would be appropriate. Adding this heated political point would needlessly distract the reader from the primary scope of the list. Wikipedia is not here to remind the reader over and over again about an injustice at any given opportunity.Cptnono (talk) 02:23, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

It is needed to have that sentence because, the name of the article is "List of Israeli museums", and one would think that an Israeli museum is in Israel, but some are not, therefore it is important and needed to highlight this fact. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Please reread my comments. Specifically those regarding the term "Israeli" and the need for a proper lead.Cptnono (talk) 21:36, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Your comments are not the final word on the topic. Some of these museums are in Israeli-occupied territory. Covering up that fact is not in any way conducive to creating a proper lead. nableezy - 15:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

in the occupied territories

The opening line says that this is a list of Israeli museums. The link used is Israel. That would not include museums located in the occupied territories as those are not in Israel, and further it would violate NPOV to present things outside of Israel as being Israeli. As such, the line Gilabrand removed belongs in the article. nableezy - 14:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

page move

I reverted the page move as there are a number of museums on this list that are not in Israel but rather in the Palestinian territories. I dont have a problem calling a museum run by Israel or its citizens an Israeli museum, I do however have one with saying one in East Jerusalem is in Israel. nableezy - 18:31, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The lead already says that. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

yes, but if the article title says in Israel Ill remove anything that is not in Israel. Further, you are well aware that when a page move is challenged you should not just move it again. Kindly refrain from doing that. nableezy - 08:21, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

yet, you just moved it. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 12:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I moved it back to where it was. A bit different. nableezy - 23:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

He moved it because the list does not only contain museums in Israel but also museums outside of Israel.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

It's a list, the lead already included the WP disclaimer. We don't need to have every article in WP become political. Most editors who aren't SPA's know that the museums should be List of Museums in Israel, similar to how it is in the rest of the world, and there is the standard disclaimer in the lead. Why does every article mentioning the word Israel or Jew needs to be so crazy, it's a list. Everyone knows you go to Ben Gurion in Israel and visit museums in Israel. It's COMMON. The lead has alternatives, and you can click on that to see the other viewpoint about occupied territory, but the article name as it is now is POV. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

None of that has anything to do with the issue. If the title is going to specify that this is a list of museums in Israel then the article will need to be excised of museums that are not in Israel. And how pray tell is the article title now "POV"? Or is that just an acronym you throw around without understanding its meaning? nableezy - 23:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

It's POV in a sense compared to how all the other articles are named for the rest of the world. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:20, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Im not going to argue with buzzwords when you cant articulate how said buzzword applies. This article contains Israeli run museums in both Israel and outside of Israel. To say that an article that contains sites outside of Israel should be titled in Israel is "POV" as it expresses a minority viewpoint as a fact, ie that the occupied territories are in Israel. nableezy - 18:26, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

All the other articles for the rest of the world only have museums located in those countries, this article does not. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:33, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Looking at the list it might also be reasonable to add the specific occupied territory. IE Old City, East Jerusalem. Nablus, West Bank. Etc.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 08:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy to see this move. If it comes down to removing content or tweaking article titles then fuck it.Cptnono (talk) 04:53, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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