Talk:List of MythBusters episodes/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

There is a lot of stuff missing from this page

There is a lot of stuff missing from this page. ex what's going on with season 4? why is there only 1 pilot episode? why arn't the tables the same? why is there a season column if the tables are serperated by columns? why is this page even here? everything on this page can be found on the other pagesRedekopmark 06:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay I just cleaned up this page a bunch but it still needs alot of work. like where is espisode 17? it goes from 16 right over to 18. and of course season 3 and 4 still need to be doneRedekopmark 06:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm finished fixing the 1st two seasons except for the discriptions, i'll continue on and make season 3 and 4 aswell as fix up season 5 sometime on the weekendRedekopmark 07:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move from MythBusters episode guide to List of MythBusters episodes, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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Shouldn't this page be moved to List of MythBusters episodes since that is the typical naming convention used for these type of pages? See Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Naming conventions for rationale. If there are no objections I will likely make the move in the next couple weeks, or someone could do it earlier if they agree with me. Stardust8212 16:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I guess that would be a better place for it. Right now I'm editing the season adding in specials that sort of thing, I just finished season 2 and 5 so I'm going to go and add in the season 3 stuff right now Redekopmark 16:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, I won't move it while you're in the middle of working on it. Stardust8212 16:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

K I Just finished Putting in everythying I was planning on doing so if you want to move it go ahead.Redekopmark 17:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed there was redirect there and I can't move it, I'll put it in at requested moves. Stardust8212 17:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• Support - though this should probably go under non-controversial moves. The Evil Spartan 17:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support Redekopmark 18:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Episode # not matching

The episode listings here don't always match with the ones on the Discovery channel website (http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html) though that one doesn't always list seasons. Could it be fixed somehow?

(please excuse any mistakes in Wiki-formatting)

The guide on the discovery website is missing a lot of episodes that we have in our guide like the specials, best of episodes and even the latest episodes from this season and that throws of our numbering from theirs. Redekopmark 00:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

But should special episodes etc really be counted, when giving the episode numbers I mean. Otherwise the official episode 12 may become the unofficial episode 14, and it's confusing.

Well discovery itself messed up their own episode order. "specials" are just words used to entice viewers into watching the show. A special is actually just a regular episode, with perhaps a slightly different theme. There is only like 1 or 2 real specials that are 2 hours long. Therefore its safe to assume that a new viewer getting into the series would be interested in watching every episode in proper order (especially since in a show like mythbusters there is often flashback of previous myths done). The proper episode order must go by air date. This right now is the most complete guide on the net for this show. Tvrage.com had roughly the same guide but some1 recently changed what they consider "season 5". This list is perfect 72.138.47.126 (talk) 21:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

change in way myths tested are displayed

I'm thinking about changing the myth's tested column is displayde to show each myth on it's own line and have it colured according to if it is busted confirmed or plausible. An example of this can be seen here let me know what you thinkRedekopmark 01:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Nah, you shouldn't spoil the results like that. Fookhar 09:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC +2)

K i'll leave it the way it is thenRedekopmark 07:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Season 5 - Ninja Special

The Ninja Special is currently listed as episode 0508. Shouldn't this be counted as a special instead of a regular episode, and changed from 0508 to special 12? YHVHYHVH 21:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by YHVHYHVH (talk • contribs) 19:36, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistensy in table and episode listings

Why do the special episodes in season 5 and 6 have a episode number in the "Episode #" table, when all the other special episodes have -- in the "Episode #" table?? Wouldn't it be more logical to follow the same format? Also the "Superhero Special" is listed as a regular episode and not as a special episode... Why?? Hope someone can answer those questions for me! Best regards / Mathias Dreamingtree 10:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The spicials from season 5 and 6 are given an episode number because they are given an episode number because the discovery site gives them a number even though the specials from season 1 to 4 are not, and as for the superhero special the discovery site listed that it wasn't a special episode even though it has special in the name, I'm not sure how that makes sense, but we're using their site as the basis for our numbering guide sowe did the same thing. Hope this awnsers some of your questions Redekopmark 00:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Well... it make sense to follow the official site at discovery! I guess it's just discovery that are confused... they don't seem to know their own episodes and doesn't follow the same format... ;-) Thanks for answering! Best regards! / Mathias Dreamingtree 18:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Please verify

If someone could please verify these changes made by an anon IP [1] that would be great. I can't tell if it is vandalism or not. Thanks Digital^Ninja 04:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that change is incorrect... it seems earlier in this discussion that the consensus is to follow the official episode numbering to avoid confusion! I have changed back so it matches the episode guides at discovery.... Official MythBuster Wiki and Episode guide at the official MythBuster webpage (up until season 5). / Dreamingtree 19:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Air plane hour

I changed the date on air plane hour to dec, 15th some days ago, because I found that date on the discovery website, but someone changed it back. Please someone fix it again. Since I registered only 5 mins ago I can't change it myself. Muscleduck (talk) 16:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC) TV schedule found here: [2] Update: Seems like that isn't the correct date after all since this episode was aired december 12th, like on the wiki page. Strange. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muscleduck (talk • contribs) 21:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Holiday Special on December 19, 2007

I'm a little confused about the Holiday Special that is airing on December 19, 2007. Due to an episode that already aired with that name, and the fact that my TV listings say it is a rerun, I removed it from the list. Someone else subsequently added it back. So, I checked Discovery's description of it, and it says it will see if reindeer could really fly Santa's sleigh, how to keep needles from falling off of a Christmas tree, and can yodeling cause an avalanche. The needles on the Christmas tree stuff appeared on the Holiday Special from 2006 and the yodeling was on the Snow Special, and I can't find anything about Santa's reindeer. So is this episode a compilation, featuring new and old myths? Or are the previous myths being revisited? -Joltman (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I was the one that changed it back, i thought that it was a new episode because of the reindeer thing, but now that i think about it those other myths have already been tested, so maybe their retesting them or it could be a best of type of show, either way i think that we should leave it for now and when it airs we can make corrections Redekopmark (talk) 00:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

On the tv schedual on the discovery site it says in january episode 96 is airing and since we are only at 94 right now there must be another episode that has yet to be aired and the only one in the schedule that i didn't recognize was the holiday one with the reindeer so this leads me to believe that the holiday special next week will indeed be a new episode Redekopmark (talk) 01:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I watched it last night, it was an exact repeat of the 2006 Holiday Special. (It was then followed by a repeat of the 2004 Christmas special and a 3rd repeat from 2005 or 2006 that contained a holiday myth.) 168.166.196.40 (talk) 18:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Season 6 - Baseball Special?

MythBusters wiki season 6 lists this as "Baseball special", yet it is not numbered as a special. Should it be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.39.61.41 (talk) 03:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Add DVD information?

Would it be WP-worthy, as well as useful, to have a column in the table indicating which episodes are in which DVD set(s) from Discovery? The DVD info is confusing at best, as Discovery has come up with several confusingly named sets and their "season" boundaries don't always match the ones here.

Proposed DVD designations:

• ep - episode available as an individual, one-episode DVD
• P - "pilot" DVD, contains first three pilots
• S1 - original "season one" set
• S1B - "season one volume two" set. Actually covers season two.
• S2 - "season two" set, no longer availble. Actually covered season three.
• S3 - "season three" set. Actually covers seasons two and most of three.
• S4 - "season four" set. Picks up with 3-16 through end of season four.

For example, "Brown Note" (3-1) would be shown as "ep, S2, S3".

Most if not all of the specials are available only as individual discs, if at all.

I have most of this information collected already, except for indvidual disc details on the first two seasons, and that's easy enough to add.

We'd need a new, rather narrow, column in the table, and a key at the bottom for the abbreviations.

I know this would be useful to collectors; that's not the question. Is it WP-worthy?

Jeh (talk) 05:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Episode 091/075/0505

I know DSC's online episode guide calls this "More Myths Revisited", but online TV guide info (recorded by ReplayTV) says "More Myths Reopened". This would make more sense as they already used "More Myths Revisited" once. I think it's a goof by whoever was typing up the ep guide at discovery.com. Jeh (talk) 21:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

When I was labeling episodes myself, I noticed that what the discovery site says, what this wiki says, what the original filename says and what the guys write on that blueprint paper during the show can be 4 different things! I gave up sometime around S2 because there were so many inconsistencies... Theultramage (talk) 12:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Start of Season 06

On 22:14, 20 February 2008 Trak0r changed the special episodes beginning with #071 to normal episodes and rearranged the following episode numbers. Furthermore he moved episodes #083 to #094 to Season 05. Is that correct, can someone verify this? And what is the official source of the episode numbers? 85.182.45.213 (talk) 23:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not right, season 6 starts with episode 083, you can check that here: MythBusters (season 6). Apparantly someone thought that all of the episodes from 2007 are season 5, and all the episodes from 2008 are season 6, but that's not right. 84.41.212.117 (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

trak0r - I changed it all to be consistent with how the page was laid out. If you look at how the seasons are displayed up till season 5, they start in Jan and end in Dec. I know that isn't the really the case, I just wanted to make it consistent with way the page was laid out. Either we need to change all the previous seasons to match what is really the seasons or stay with what was already setup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trak0r (talk • contribs) 17:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Future of Mythbusters / Episode 117

Are there any resources for information concerning episode 117? What is its airdate? Is there any official information about future episodes? I think we should remove the section about Ep. 117 unless we have valid information. H3ndrik (talk) 01:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

What i typed in there for episode 117 came straight from the discovery channel website schedule Redekopmark (talk) 03:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:FUTURE. Please recall that the "airplane on a conveyor belt" segment was originally listed on the "discovery channel website schedule" as part of "airplane myths", right up to airtime. Please also note that the all-programs calendar at the discovery channel website presently stops a couple of weeks short of April 24! Only the program schedule in the Mythbusters sub-site gives this April 24th date, and in the past they've often changed these things at the last moment. This does NOT qualify as reliable future information. I really do not see what is so difficult to understand about this principle. Jeh (talk) 00:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, you crystal ball gazers seem to have made up production and episode numbers out of thin air. Based on past experience (such as with the airplane on conveyor belt segment) ALL of this is speculative until the episodes actually air. Jeh (talk) 17:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Info: 'official' Mythbusters TV schedule is over there: [3]. H3ndrik (talk) 21:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Info: Mythbusters episodeguide at: [4] --H3ndrik (talk) 02:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Postponement of Viral Myths & Ninja 2

I would guess that the ongoing 2008 Olympics has something to do with the postponement. Now if we could just find a reliable source? Also the Pirate special they replayed on Aug 13th actualy started an hour before the normal timeslot (as a 2 hour episode) and preempted the show that was going to air in the preceding timeslot as well. The onscreen guide for Dish Network had the shows that were preempted on their on screen guide for Aug 13th. Jon (talk) 13:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

IMDB / Release scenes point to current season as 6

Here we have episode 7!!! Air dates are wrong...who knows what else is wrong here???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.89.50 (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

This article has to be changed. The season that just concluded was definitely season 6! There is no season 7 as of yet. This is OFFICIAL as per Discovery's press releases, for example this one: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20080819discovery01 Also, on the futon critic's show page it reads "CURRENT SEASON: 6 (19 episodes)" and "ADDITIONAL NOTES: completed airing its sixth season on 11/12/08; has yet to be renewed for a seventh season". For guidance on how it should be rearranged check http://epguides.com/mythbusters/ or similar...I'm sure a few people see themselves as maintainers of this article, so please change it soon, thanks! Mkomkomko (talk) 14:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Episode listings are wrong

According to the Official Discovery Channel episode guide (http://mythbusters-wiki.discovery.com/page/MythBusters%3A+Jan.+2008+-+Dec.+2008), Season 7 includes ep95 through current. This page has Season 7 starting at ep103. Why? I see some discussion below, but it's very unclear as to what the problem is. KMils (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Inside information

I have a contact at the place who does the video post-production for Mythbusters. According to her: the discovery wiki is wrong, tv.com is wrong, thetvdb.com is wrong. Different TV stations around the world call the seaons different things, as well. The current season is 5 or 6, depending where you are. The correct seasons, according to the people who produce the videos, are: Series 1 - Eps 1 - 3 (Pilot eps), Series 2 - Eps 1 - 13, Series 3 - Eps 14 - 39, Series 4 Eps 40 - 69, Series 5 - Eps 70 - 100, Series 6 - Eps 101 - 130. (I realise I'm just another random person saying this, as I can't link to any official with these numbers.) TheYellowMoose (talk) 00:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You forgot to say which numbering method those 'series' you mentioned use. I tried matching them and at some points they don't make any sense. Please clarify. Theultramage (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

What's wrong with the narrator ?

In the recet episode 'Coffin Punch' (nov 2008) Robert Lee said that they were testing "bulletproof myth" back in season 3, but this was, according to this article, 16th episode, which is season 2. Also, he said something along the lines of 'Back in M7...'. I thought Jamie's shop is called M5 Industries. Am I having auditory hallucination??? Barvinok (talk) 09:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that MI7 is the place where the build team works, and they never have stated when each season begins and ends. Redekopmark (talk) 03:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe 16 episodes could possibly cover 2 seasons no matter what season boundaries were. Should have written a separate article on a different seasoning :) Barvinok (talk) 06:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The season numbering is wrong - OFFICIALLY

This article has to be changed. The season that just concluded was definitely season 6! There is no season 7 as of yet. This is OFFICIAL as per Discovery's press releases, for example this one: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20080819discovery01 Also, on the futon critic's show page it reads "CURRENT SEASON: 6 (19 episodes)" and "ADDITIONAL NOTES: completed airing its sixth season on 11/12/08; has yet to be renewed for a seventh season". For guidance on how it should be rearranged check http://epguides.com/mythbusters/ or similar...I'm sure a few people see themselves as maintainers of this article, so please change it soon, thanks! Mkomkomko (talk) 12:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

If season 7 doesn't exist yet and season 6 ended last week where does the episode that airs this week belong? Also from reading the page on futon critic the way it's worded it looks like the notes at the bottome about being in the 6th season was part of their own release and not from discovery. The problem with organizing the page like epguides's is that they have some non-existant episodes in their listing and they're missing others, I think that we should try and reorganize this page to be like the guide on the discovery website without season numbers and instead just list them by year Redekopmark (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

At the moment it's really bad because:

• 1. The sub pages listing articles are in serious disagreement with this article.
• 2. There is no longer a link to the details of the most current episodes.

Discovery Channel site is the authorive source, so I sugest changing everything to match their web site. Jon (talk) 18:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I fixed up everything for number 1 so that everything now follows the official site, the only thing left is to delete the page for season 7, and I'm not sure what you mean by number 2 could you clarify abit Redekopmark (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

#2 is now fixed as well. (The same changes made for #1 fixed it). Jon (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

No reason to change episode numbering in the earlier seasons!

I'd go back for the old seasoning system. Just take a look at the DVD-boxes that are sold by season, not year!

Seasons 1-4 DVD Set on Discovery store—Preceding unsigned comment added by Antipico (talk • contribs) 16:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC) 

I don't think that those are entirely correct, if you look closely you'll see that episodes that only aired 1 week apart from one another are counted as being in different seasons, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redekopmark (talk • contribs) 17:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I think we should go by what the Discovery website currently says. Perhaps add another column that mentions which DVD Box it was sold under. (As a side note, this isn't the only show where there are differences between broadcast seasons and production seasons.) Jon (talk) 18:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Recent title edits rolled back

IP 83.67.116.85 had edited lots of episode titles, without any comment or obvious motivation. I have rolled back all of those related edits including the one by 216.195.135.196 renaming Airplane on a Conveyer Belt to Big Belt Take-off. If any of those changes were actually valid, please reapply them but provide some explanation first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.233.89 (talk) 11:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Season 5

There are two episodes with season number "0514" in the season 5 section. Is this correct? Sc4Freak (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Season confusion...

The season ambiguity is a bit annoying. I can't find any indication on the Mythbusters site -- their Episode guide [5] lists episodes by year. Normal shows take substantial breaks between seasons, but MythBusters is all over the place. Starting in 2004, time gaps of > 1 month between episodes are: 017-018, 021-022, 031-032, 051-052, 057-058, 067-068, 088-089, 116-117, 118-119, 131-132 (production #s). These are potentially season breaks ... but maybe not. Maybe they were scheduling conflicts.

On the other hand, MythBusters (2004 season) lists all 2004 episodes, but this list puts some of the 2004 episodes in Season 1. Clearly, the individual "season" articles have chosen to go by year, and more importantly, the Mythbusters web site goes by year with no acknowledgement of "seasons" at all! Epguides [6] seems to have it's own system involving inter-season "Special" sections... The Season 1 DVD ends with episode 016 not 017 as this list has it... The MythBusters Season 4 DVD [7] starts with 054 which we list in season 3 and is on October 26, 2005. My conclusion is that there IS NO STANDARD for season numbering, at least not a coherent one shared across different parts of the MythBusters "empire". The best thing to do for this list would be to go by Year, and put a note about the confusion at the top. Sbwoodside (talk) 07:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The episodes were listed by year until some time (two months?) ago somebody came and made a considerable number of modifications, citing the MythBusters DVDs as the source.Kxx (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just added a note at the top of the article about the confusion. I don't think that the "seasons" currently divided up actually follow the DVDs correctly actually (just looking quickly at the listings on the Discovery store they don't match up). Sbwoodside (talk) 05:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoa. I just started watching "Viewer Special" and Jamie says "Since the beginning of Season 5, or the Hindenburg Episode...". So, I guess that's fairly official. Sbwoodside (talk) 05:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

It is actually quite common for season numbers on DVD to not match up with the broadcast seasons. One big example of this was the original broadcast of Futurama which had 4 production seasons that aired over 5 broadcast seasons. Also Eureka production season 3 was split into 2 broadcast seasons. Futurama and Babylon 5: Crusade are also examples of shows that have episodes in a different order on the DVD than their original broadcast. Jon (talk) 19:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Inspiration from Darwin Awards

At the top of the article it says 'Inspiration for episodes often come from the Darwin Awards Urban Legends, to test if the scenarios are possible. Such tests include the Lawnchair/Balloons test and the rocket powered Chevrolet Impala (which in the story not only got to 350mph, but hit a cliff 150ft above the road)' to me, that's good information, but I think it should be sourced from somewhere. Plus I don't think that it's a good place for it. Should this be moved to the actual article on the show? Or those particular episodes (if they have a page of their own) Tydamann (talk) 09:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikitable Layout

Could we change the wikitable layout to match the standard on wikipedia? Most wiki episode pages have their listings in this format: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Dad!_episodes). The currect table is difficult to maintain and is very ugly. 3rd Party applications that rely on wikitables are unable to parse this type of table. Anyone care to change it and make it look nicer? Kalistorm (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose new sections should be appended at the bottom of talk pages. Anyway, your proposal sounds good but seems to be really a major project.Kxx (talk) 01:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Seasons on this article now out of sync with the season sub articles

The table looks really nice, but the seasons listed in this article are now out of sync with the season sub articles. In addition, there currently isn't a source listed on the table on where the season breakdown is coming from and how the seasons are supposed to be broken down has been a matter of dispute. Jon (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The conversion to {{Episode list}} format was a direct conversion of the existing tables. The sync problem existed before conversion.[8] I noticed some discrepancies when I was double-checking after converting the custom tables to use {{Episode list}}, but decided to convert the tables as they were, rather than to try to fix up the errors as part of the conversion. There are bound to be errors when you have two sets of lists for each season. Ideally the episode lists for each season should be in the individual season articles and transcluded here to avoid unnecessary duplication and, hopefully, lists being out of sync with each other. Regarding references, there were very few references and quite a few uncited claims that didn't match the data in the lists before the conversion. More references definitely need to be added.

Season breakdown is a problem with this program. The various reliable TV Guides don't seem to agree with each other so it's hard to work out season boundaries. The traditional method of breaking down sublists is to name them according to the season, ie MythBusters (season x) rather than MythBusters (200x season) but, given the confusion over the season boundaries, it may be more useful to break the episodes down by year, as has been done with the season sub articles. The individual seasons would then be named "200x season" rather than "Season y: 200x" and the episodes broken into groups according to the year they were aired. This is not difficult to do. --AussieLegend (talk) 21:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I say use the dvd for breakdown, as teh austrlain and american release are the same for seaosn 1-4, season 5 onwards is a bit tricker--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 22:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It's because of the discrepancies with season 5 onwards that it's probably best to stick to years. We need something that's consistent and unlikely to be changed. The sub articles are ordered by year. If the episode lists are moved to the sub articles and transcluded, consistency should be maintained, regardless of any inconsistencies in DVD releases, TV Guides etc. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

no the dvd release are consistant i jsu tmeant that season5 is about to be released on dvd so until seaosn 6 is out we wouldnt knwo for sure but going on the dvd would be a start and defintive relaibel source--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 22:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

You've just demonstrated my point. Ordering by year is immediate and essentially final. Ordering by DVD means ordering by some other method until the DVD is released and then re-ordering to match the DVD. If we were to re-order by DVD then that means that there would always be two methods of ordering until MythBusters is finally cancelled. That is not consistent, means extra work and makes no sense. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Not really it done on other shows where a smiliar problem arise. Mysolution would be put all epsiode that are not in season 1-5 into seaosn 6 and when seaosn 6 is annocued put all epsiode not in season 6 into 7 and so then it will be constiant and sicne it no using episode lsit it quite easy to do--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Doing that falls very squarely under the heading of original research. It's unnaceptable. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Unindent 1

No it doesnt, if the offical season release sasys it not part of it then has to be part of the next season or else it a wild episode. But splitting by year is as much original research as my way because your giving th impression seaosn 1 is year x season 2is year year xy etc. my way is based on discover own information but i am pretty sure discover has a episode guide for it which is then officla and the bes tot use--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok here is offficl list from discovery uk

[9] <-- season 6 [10] <-- seaosn 5 which you will fidn matches the dvd so the other dvd would be acceptabel to use for season 1-4--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Well the order is a wee bit differnt but the uk airs them in different order so i stick with american order but it means both are confirmed--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

here is the season 5 dvd from discovery [11]--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but yes, it does make it OR. Putting season 7 episodes into season 6 is OR because you're making an assumption. It's not verifiable that the current list of season 7 episodes is part of season 6. On the other hand, if you simply list the seasons by year, not as they're listed now, it's not OR because it can be verified that the episodes aired in that year. The Discovery channel episode guide, which is cited in the article, lists the episodes by year.[12] Discovery.com is referenced in the actual episodes so that is clearly the main site and the reference we should use. Discovery.co.uk is a regional site. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It does nto matter it a regional site it eralibel source and can rpovide and enoguh information to pslit itno proper seasons. and putting seaosn 7 epsiod einto seaosn 6 until it is clear what season there ar eis not original reseash if you want it that way you put them into a caterogu unknown season which are nto splut intoa season article--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 07:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

My point was that different regional sites have different airing schedules to each other and the main site. What we end up with with is a whole pile of "reliable" sources that contradict each other so what site do we use? The UK site? The Australian site? The US site? You're in the UK so you seem to prefer the UK site. Beyond Productions, which make MythBusters, is an Australian company so there's an argument for the Australian site. However, the program is produced (mainly) in the US and the US site is regularly referred to in the episode so that's the site we should be using for consistency. There's no real argument for using any other site over the US site.

Once again, putting season 7 episodes into season 6 is original research. There are no sources stating that the episodes are in season 6 which means that including the season 7 episodes in season 6 is speculation. The second sentence of Wikipedia:No original research covers this. Please read the policy. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I stated a american site the american discovery shoip sit ewhich list everything for season 5, i just gave the uk site the shows as addiotnal proof that season 5 is what the amreican site says, even if it original research if you placing a episode into aunknown season whith that title and no season article is created utnil later people will be able ot understand that the episode does is in unknown fo rit season, if i can find a australian sit ei will provide that to i just against people saying americna shwo so american sites only--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 22:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

You're ignoring the fact that the season articles are already named according to year and episodes in the season articles are grouped by year. You're also ignoring what I said yesterday, i.e. that ordering by DVD season means ordering by some other method until the DVD is released and then re-ordering to match the DVD. If we were to re-order by DVD then that means that there would always be two methods of ordering until MythBusters is finally cancelled. It's not consistent and if we were to re-order by DVD season that means having to move and re-write all of the sub articles as well as this one to maintain the required consistency. It's a lot of work and, given that it took five months just to convert this article to use {{Episode list}}, it's work that won't get done. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

TO be honest i am not bothered wether it is split by year or seasons, but i think seaosn splitting is the best due to the fact people know where they belong. I am jsut bothered with your relucantance that only the american site can be used since it americna show. I acutalyl agree with you americna site should be used as the primary source. But use the other sourse liek uk one to help sort otu season 6 and 7 until the dvd come out. And always follow the order that it airs in america not the uk or australia, not sure if the dvd order if different should be followed. i am just totally in limbo as to why the reculantance of the non americna site--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Normally I'd agree with season splitting, but the sub articles have been split by year and the {{Main}} links in each season link to these articles. The fact that the season lists and the sub articles don't match is what started this discussion. It's a lot of work to move and rewrite articles to split by season to ensure that the sub articles match this one. Splitting by year seems the quickest and easist fix, and there's nothing wrong with splitting by year. Since the US website's episode list splits by year, rather than season, this seems the least confusing way of splitting. I don't actually have any problem with using information from the UK site. It just seems more logical to use the US site, for the reasons that I've stated. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair point , but the work to reorganise will be quite easy once we move evrything over to the main articles maybe something we can lok at int he future then?--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 09:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Unident 2

\since we are goign with season by years can we remove fromt he section headers season 1 : xxxx=xxxx to season xxxx-xxxx as this is inaccurate and suggest that season 1 is all the episode that aired in that year which is against what we have argued about--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

It's on my ToDo list. It's not as simple as just changing the headings. Quite a few things have to be changed. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Would it not be better to move the stuff over to the season articfle and then do the work on it form there and transclude the data back here without the short summary and in essence make this a true list. I can fix the season headings if oyu want wotn take much work--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it's a lot easier to get this article correct and consistent throughout, and then move the tables to the season articles. Episodes have to be moved between seasons here and the season overview table needs to be changed as well as changing the headings. This all has to be done before the tables can be moved to the articles. Otherwise, you have to work on eight articles at once, rather than one or two. I've already stated in my user space, rather than doing the changes here in a disjointed fashion. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

page layout change

why was the layout of the page changed. its not easy to read like it was. Simple layouts are always better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.163.8 (talk) 02:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

due to wikipedia polices as it better in episod elist foramt--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 07:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Better if episode contents are better formatted. Putting the phrase "Myths tested" in every single content box is unnecessary.Kxx (talk) 17:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

True but that is clean up work--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 18:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The "ShortSummary" field, where the "Myths tested" are listed now, cannot have a custom name so it's necessary to include a label to avoid any confusion. However, there's no reason why it can't be removed if that's the consensus. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Uk airings

I noticed a ip user is now adding the uk airdates since a lot of the epsiode are premiere there first, however i know a lot of the season 7 and some 6 aired in the uk first but i wonder if there be aproblem with changing these odler ones?--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Should the UK listing not be on their own page? This seems to be confusing for the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.229.90.174 (talk) 17:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Nope that is a defintive, there no need for two articles, it says original airdate not american--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 17:53, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Not sure why on the US page we are noting the "Discovery Channel UK" this is confusing in my opinion. I would think it best to only list the US airings on a US site / page for the show. Jsholm (talk) 12:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

THis is english wikipedia not american wikipedia so uk airing are valid--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 13:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The article is about the show, period. This is the English-language Wikipedia, not the American Wikipedia. The fact that the show is American does not preclude us from providing information about its presence in other countries; and there is certainly no reason to create separate articles about non-U.S. showings. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:20, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok... to solve this problem we are going to use the US airing dates as the show is produced there. If the UK viewers wish to know the airing dates for their local areas, they should consult a UK programming guide. This is wikipedia, not ukpedia.LostMK (talk) 03:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

"We" are? Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, not a dictatorship. It's not USpedia either. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:50, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

If you want personalized localized information that is not relevant to the source you can change .com to .au or .co.uk or whatever the fuck your kind does. Keep it out of our wikipedia.LostMK (talk) 03:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Please be civil. The field is "|OriginalAirDate=", not "|OriginalUSAirdate=". For consistency the article orders episodes by cited US airdates but, if the episode has aired in another country before the US, meaning the US date is not the original airdate, there's no reason why that shouldn't be shown. --AussieLegend (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

This ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA not AMERICAN WIKIPEDIA, if you do nto like it do not come here the origianl airdate is where it airs in english first and since it aired in the uk first then the uk airdate is added since it aired there first look at other guides ther eplenty wher ehte uk is ahead of america--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 08:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

You can not even type in English... lol LostMK (talk) 04:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

This is the last time I'm going to ask you to be be civil. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

LostMK: take a chill pill Sbwoodside (talk) 05:38, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, why don't we simply list both airdates? Barvinok (talk) 10:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

That's already been done for the 2009 season, but only where the, currently uncited, UK airdate is before the US airdate. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

This is acceptable. Thanks to whoever made the airdates neutral yet informative. ;D LostMK (talk) 04:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

This is not makingit naturel it is making it american the way you like, however sayign that we could use the altairdate or we could do a custom hack to the episodelist template to include them both slightly better than altairdate--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 10:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Article rework

As per the earlier discussions on this page, I've now completed conversion of the article to list episodes by year, in line with the sub-articles, using the official Discovery Channel episode guide as a source. The guide doesn't include some of the earlier specials so I've gone to other articles for sources. For consistency, and because they're cited, episodes are listed by US airdate, although the UK airdates have not been removed. It should be noted that some of the episode titles have been changed to reflect the title on the Discovery Channel guide. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I've now moved the 2003 episode list to the season article and transcluded it. More work is required for the other articles and they'll be done as time permits. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Will you havea problem if i use sublist so the summaries are not translcuded so this remains as as list of episode only ocmpeltely? btw no problem with changing the names as discovery uk general releases shorten version of hte names for epg data and i said before the uk usualy airs them ina different order--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 10:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I think there would be very little point to this article without the episode summary field transcluded. Looking for a particular myth would require looking through all of the individual season articles, which is time consuming. It's not as if the summaries contain alot of information. It's just a bare list of the myths tested. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough just it is way most lists do things but isee your point--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 12:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed plausiable busted?

Maybe we should put a tthe end of myth tested wether ti was confirmed, pausible or busted?--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 16:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Does not quite seem a good idea to me. That goes into too much detail. For a list of episodes just summaries are already fine.Kxx (talk) 02:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers should not be listed in the episode tables LostMK (talk) 12:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

wikipedia does not censor as per wp:spoilers, but i am not saying we will add it only that if we do spoilers are to be added--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 16:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Episode numbering

I can't see how the episode numbering for this article was decided upon and there's no source for production numbers. Any ideas? --AussieLegend (talk) 04:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I say removing things like the mini myths and best of to a sections called other, and the specials which are in the lsit of special episodes go to section called specials as, until seaosn 5 the special where nto part ofthe regualr season, there where just the best btis form previosu epsiodes., i say remove the produciton code completely unless a realible source is found--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 10:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

At this point I don't see any real reason to move any of the specials to separate sections. Special episodes are still episodes so they can still be listed with the rest of the episodes for that year. Lots of TV programs have specials, but they don't usually break them out into separate sections, or sub articles. I see no reason why the special episodes can't be merged into the individual year articles. This would provide consistency between the articles. It's peculiar that Discovery includes some specials in the individual episode lists but doesn't include others. We don't have to follow that here, and shouldn't if we want to provide a consistent list. As for episode numbering, I agree that we should drop the production numbers. They don't really provide any useful information and since they're not cited, I suspect they're OR. I think we should stick to traditional episode numbering as used in most TV articles. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

agreed then the production code will go. fair enough about the specials, mythbuster until season 4 or 5 had specials that where that not par tof the regular epsioe but from seaosn 4 or 5 they then became regular episode even though they where specials. but the best of episode i think should be removed as there not really episode there jsut 5 minute short with the best clips from other episodes previously.--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Pulling the production codes has made this list much less useful. In the absence of well-defined season boundaries and the lack of official ep numbers for the specials, the production code was the only usable unique numerical identifier for MB episodes. Overzealous enforcement of OR policies has resulted in the complete disappearance of this information from the Internet for no constructive benefit to Wikipedia or any other party. Edits should, first and absolutely foremost, contribute some benefit to users. Removing factual information not available elsewhere does not meet this test. 75.157.171.224 (talk) 05:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately there are no sources for the production codes so they constitute original research, which is unacceptable and is why I questioned them. They can't be considered "factual information" if there's no evidence to support them. That said, while I was reworking the episode lists I used the "production numbers" to calculate total episodes for each season, amongst other things, and I can see some usefulness in including a sequential numeric system of identification for episodes but we can't call them "Production Codes" without citations. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I think I was the one who added those, and I did not call them production codes when I put them in as we don't know the order that they were produced. I think I called them just "episode number" I based it entirely off of airdates, Mark (talk) 07:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Which is original research--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 08:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

The numbers being referred to were listed as "production #" and have existed since the article was first created. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Can we please, pretty, please keep production numbers? They are of tremendous help in trying to arrange collection of episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.11.212.156 (talk) 21:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Season # mixup

Why does it say season # over the episode number column? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.103.204.181 (talk) 05:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no mixup, "Series #" is the episode number within the entire series while "Season #" is the episode number within the current season. The hash symbol is an abbreviation for "episode number" so the two column headings actually mean "Series episode number" and "Season episode number" respectively. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Two missing special episodes?

I was looking for some MythBusters DVD releases and came across this one shop that sells a compilation called "MythBusters - Car Special: Volume 2" here. According to the description it includes two episodes called "Cars on Celluloid Special" and "Common Car Myth Special" and neither of them are mentioned on this list. Shouldn't they be added? --Litude (talk) 14:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

When did these episodes air? I can't find any reference to these in any of the guides. --AussieLegend (talk) 14:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

They are unaired, in fact i think there jsut a special for the dvd only--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 14:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

They may be unaired, but shouldn't they still be mentioned in at least the specials section or something? From what I've managed to gather, there were 4 of these special best of episodes (released on 2 separate DVDs) produced. --Litude (talk) 21:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Naming seasons

Why the hell were they named and categorised after year instead of actual season? Incredibly stupid. I have added (Season x) on all headlines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.217.7 (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Probably because they don't have very clear seasons. And the season numbering you now created doesn't match what anyone else uses... --OpenFuture (talk) 13:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll second that. Mythbusters has never really been divided into true "seasons" as we're used to with other shows. Discovery tends to show new episodes throughout the year in 1-2 month span. They'll then take a month or two off, showing reruns. For some reason, the show has always been that way, and thus there isn't a really good way to divide the episodes into numbered seasons, and therefore the best way to organize them is by year. Alan daniel (talk) 04:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually the show is divided into normal seasons. It has been quite old an idea that season numbering used by the show's DVDs be adopted. The DVDs are grouped into sets by season and their pages on Discovery Store website unequivocally indicate which episodes they contain. But for some reason, that idea never really took off, and consensus came to division by year. Given the amount of effort (undertaken mostly during 2009) to reconcile differences among all MythBusters articles (I doubt it is complete, though) and reformat them to bring them into the current shape, unless some one really wants to take the pain to shuffle page contents again, it is just better to leave them as they are now. Kxx (talk | contribs) 04:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The official MythBusters episode guide is the major and most consistent reference for the episodes.[13] Since this lists almost all of the normal and special episodes, and does so by year rather than season, it was a big factor in determining the current method, which is fortunately consistent with the already existing season articles, which are named according to year of broadcast, rather than by season numbers. Use of years for the seasons apparently pre-dates the season number format.[14] The change that occurred when somebody changed from year to season number caused considerable inconsistencies between the related articles. This inconsistency wasn't noticed until after I'd converted the article to use {{Episode list}} instead of custom tables.[15] It required quite a deal of work to restore consistency. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, as a matter of fact, this article actually started with numbering by season and stayed that way until an early contributor came up with an edit in Nov 2008 [16]. And I believe that articles for individual seasons were written in the same way prior to the transition to numbering by year. The move broke a lot of links scattered across multiple articles, mostly references to specific episodes. For once I also attempted to correct those links, but there were simply too many of them.

The primary point of confusion and the reason that discussion like this keeps reappearing, I think, lie in the fact that numbering by year deviates from the general understanding of what a season is. It seems to me that the method was adopted solely for the sake of honoring the official episode guide. Yet the official episode guide cannot care less about season division—it does not even use the word at all. Given how the DVDs [17] and the episode guide at TV.com [18] are organized, the old numbering is entirely justifiable. We don't want to bring it back only because of the amount of work of both fixing its removal and restoring it. Kxx (talk | contribs) 07:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

DVDs don't always follow numbered seasons. Collections of episodes are also released that don't follow season numbering so it's inconsistent to follow DVDs. TV.com is not a reliable source so we shouldn't follow that episode guide. At least the official guide is consistent, and that's one of the big reasons for following it. Nothing at all to do with "honouring" it. That it doesn't mention seasons is a good indication that traditional seasons are not really applicable to this program. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

If the show ever finishs and they finish the dvd releases with seaosn sets then we will be in beter position to know what epsiode are where until then i support the current format at least it is tidy, oh aussielegend why not surpessing the episode description on the main list but not on the seaosn guides? most list do that makes it neatier also the serperate additonal info on season 2010 isnt required but i will bring that up later jsut wondered your opinion--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 09:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

As I indicated last time we discussed this,[19] I think there would be very little point to this article without the episode summary field transcluded. Looking for a particular myth would require looking through all of the individual season articles, which is incredibly time consuming. It's not as if the summaries contain a lot of information. It's just a bare list of the myths tested, unlike other programs that typically contain a summary of the entire episode's plot. As the episode titles don't reflect all of the myths tested in the article, a list of titles alone is pointless. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

ok fair enough jsut wasnt sure ive bene buisy and my mind forgottten things--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 20:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Another wave of modifications and another revert. I think the word “season” should not be used here. People come and expect the word to be used the usual way and find out that it is not. Some of them will go ahead with modifications that will only be reverted. This pattern has repeated quite a few times and will occur again and again. Kxx (talk | contribs) 15:22, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

That the article is organised by years and not by numbered seasons should be completely obvious to anyone. Unfortunately there are always going to be people who completely ignore all the obvious signs and impose their own beliefs without checking the facts before doing so, as was the case with the latest edits. It doesn't matter how we organise the article, we'll always have to deal with these types. There's no point in doing another major rework in the hope that it will stop them. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe that we should be using the same seasonal conventions as all other television shows. Is there any reason why we don't simply apply the format used by IMDB [20] ? Jcarle (talk) 19:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

We should use the same convention as the show itself does. And we do: http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html --OpenFuture (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

IMDB is not a reliable source for episode information. The problem with using "the same seasonal conventions as all other television shows" is that this program doesn't follow those conventions. This is discussed in the article's lede, on this page and in the talk page archives. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Buster's Cut Episodes

The forthcoming Buster's Cut episodes should be reorganised into specials, rather than part of the 2010 season, as they are remastered repeats of old myths.

See here: http://www.tv.com/mythbusters/show/22839/clarification-on-recent-episodes-and-spring-finale/topic/10719-2053593/msgs.html?tag=fresh_forums;topic_title;0 --Viper h (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Forums are not reliable sources. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Now that these episodes have aired, and that's exactly what the Buster's Cut episodes are, they do need to be reorganized into the Specials section. --Elwood00 ^{T | C} 12:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit torn over what to do with these. Since they were aired in 2010 they should probably stay in the 2010 article. The "Specials" section, which is actually transcluded from a separate article, is for episodes that were aired outside the normal season episodes and season special episodes. After a cleanup last year, only one special, that aired on the Science Channel, fitted that criteria. That said, these were simply rehashed filler episodes, so there might be justification to move them into the specials article. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Specials nt have to air outside the normal season if there classed as special or are not a normal epsioe then they really shoudk be a special--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 11:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you're getting at. in any case, it appears there are more of these to come, so it's probably best to leave these in the 2010 article for now. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that there should be a section for "Remastered Episoded" because I'm sure many more of these will come and I don't think they should be considerd actual episodes, it would be repeats with extra footage. --174.113.36.105 (talk) 13:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree, they aren't actual episodes but I think they can probably go in the special episodes article, which currently only has one entry, with an appropriate note about "Buster's Cut" episodes. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Renaming of episode number columns

Hi all. The current columns "Series #" and "Season #" are open to misinterpretation (especially by casual visitors). I've recently renamed the same columns at List of The Big Bang Theory episodes to be "Overall episode #" and "Season episode #" respectively. There is a place to discuss this at: Template_talk:Episode_list#Episode_number_column_headings. Depending on the outcome there, I'm happy to apply the same changes for this page.  HWV258.  03:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

its best to name it Episode # and Series/season # depending on what coutnry the show is from then you know the firs t one relates tot he episoe number of the show and th second to the series or seaosn the show is in--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 20:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

This should be revised, it is still hard to understand the intent of column 'Season'. At the very least please put Season Episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.122.201.120 (talk) 23:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

AirDates are US AirDates, should be labelled as such

For example 153 17 "Arrow Machine Gun" Aired in the UK on 2010/10/25, a week before the date shown of November 3, 2010. The date shown is obviously the US air date. if the column is US air dates then that is fine but should be labelled as such. for the rest of the world the idea that it is implicit that 'Original airdate' means 'Original US airdate' is kinda annoying and not consistent with wikipedia policies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.212.184 (talk) 14:01, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

So, what you're arguing is that Sea Patrol should use "Original Australian air date" and Bang Goes the Theory should use "Original UK air date" too? I think you'll find that most people take "Original airdate" to mean "date the episode originally aired in the country of origin", rather than "Original US airdate". --AussieLegend (talk) 14:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

For now we can just continue doing what we did with the 2009 UK world premiers, ie put both dates in if the USA isn't first as there aren't many of them. It might look odd or even untidy if the dates had (US) labels everywhere. Arrow Machine Gun is the first one that has aired in the UK first since 131 (Myth Evolution 2) on 19th Oct 2009. Mistertickle (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC).

@AussieLegand No i'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that as it stands it is incorrect. if the table were labelled Original US Airdate that would be correct. if the episodes that aired in the UK first had US and UK dates then that would be fine. But it is not correct to say original air date when it aired a week earlier. Your Bang Goes the Theory analogy is daft. AFAIK all the episodes aired in the UK first. So there is no ambiguity the original air date is the UK original airdate/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.212.184 (talk) 08:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

If that's not what you're saying then what you're proposing is inconsistent. As I indicated, most people take "Original airdate" to mean "date the episode originally aired in the country of origin", rather than "Original US airdate". Such is the case with Bang Goes the Theory, Sea Patrol and other TV programs. It isn't necessary to label columns "Original <country> airdate" at all, unless most of or all of an entire season aired in a different country first. What is done is as Mistertickle suggested; we label individual occurrences where an episode aired in a different country first. However, we still need citations from reliable sources to support the inclusion. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Numbering of episode 148, 2010-12, "Car Conundrum"

This episode is described as a clip show, but numbered as a normal episode. It is also absent from the Discovey episode guide, which only lists episodes from 2010 with entirely new content. I vote to number this as a special. http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html Are1981 (talk) 23:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

i agree all th clip shows should be label specials and took out the 2010 season--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Overall episode # gap

Between the 2004 and 2005 season, there appear to be 3 episodes missing from the running count. It ends 2004 with 28 and begins 2005 with 32. Is there any explanation for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.221.116 (talk) 00:53, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit: It would appear that the three 2004 episodes under the Special Episodes section would account for that incongruity. It seems like those should be added to the master list, as the other specials have been. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.221.116 (talk) 01:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Those three episodes were moved out of the season article[21] without fixing the resultant problem. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 Blue Ice - Bourne Supremacy link

I noticed that episode 2 'Blue Ice' of the 2011 season features a 'myth' taken from the Bourne Supremacy which links to the article on the book; never having read the book, I can't say whether it is in this said novel or only the film. Should it only be the film, the link will need changing to link to the article on the film (The Bourne Supremacy). Derfel73 (talk) 12:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

That's a good point. I'll change the link now.SCΛRECROW 12:57, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

new clipshow-type episodes?

Location Location Location and the episode following that, Wet And Wild, are clipshow repeats of already shown material. Should they be listed as special episodes rather than real episodes, as has been the case with the Buster's Cut episodes? These new clipshows don't contain anything significantly new to list them as all-new episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.237.68.112 (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think they should be listed in a separate location, with the Buster's Cuts. I think listing them inline, as has already been done with "Location, Location, Location" is fine. Don't know why "Wet & Wild" is listed as a normal episode... --Fru1tbat (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Then whatabout the Shop Till You Drop episode? From that episode, we see that the episode number is not numeric but an SP-prefixed one. This should also be the case with the "Location, Location, Location" and "Wet & Wild" episodes, if we follow the same convention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.237.68.112 (talk) 23:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in summary table

My edit was reverted where I changed the summary table to follow all of the individual seasons exactly as they are shown. Why is this? Are the SEASON pages the ones that are wrong? Example: 2008 shows that there are 20 episodes (which includes special episodes); it also shows that 2008 had 8 special episodes meaning there must be only 12 regular episodes (12+8=20); below, 2008 only shows ONE special episode and 19 regular episodes. Why is this data incorrect and being reverted to stay incorrect? Which table is wrong? ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 08:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Your edits actually didn't reflect what the tables indicate and introduced errors in the number of special episodes each year as follows:

• 2006 has 2 specials (episodes 73 and 81) - You changed 2 to 0
• 2008 has 8 specials (episodes 108, 111, 112, 113, 114,115, 122, 127) - You changed 8 to 1
• 2009 has 3 specials (episodes 128, 129, 131) - You changed 3 to 0
• 2010 has 4 specials (episodes 158, 162, 163, 165) - You changed 4 to 2

(The episode numbers above refer to the figure shown in the "Overall episode No." column)

There are two types of special episodes, those that appear in the official episode guide but which are announced to be special episodes in the episode (these include "Note: This was a special episode" in the episode summary), and those that do not appear in the official episode guide, which is where you may have been confused. What is puzzling though is that 2006 has two episodes numbered as "Special x" but you changed that year to "0". --AussieLegend (talk) 10:32, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, roger that. Didn't see the additional notes. Well that explains it quite nicely. Thanks for being so thorough in your explanation. =D ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 22:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Specials also known as "dirty dozen".

The 3 specials that count down 12 favorite clips are also known as MythBusters Dirty Dozen. See this link:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/mythbusters-dirty-dozen/

93.95.251.162 (talk) 12:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Martin.

Duct Tape Island

Did they ever say which island they were on? If so, can someone add the coordinates of the island? Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 18:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

As they mentioned if the Aftershow, it was Oahu island in Hawaiian. Einwill (talk) 07:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Numbering of Episode SP12 – "Viewer Special Threequel" (2008 season)

Hi from Russian fans of the show.

Could you please explain why did you marked "Viewer Special Threequel" as a Special Episode SP12 and not as a regular Episode #114? It really doesn't make sense, cause first two "Viewer Choice" episodes are marked as a regular episodes (namely, Episode 84 "Viewer's Special" and Episode 99 "Viewer's Special 2"). Moreover, the fourth Viewer Special, aka "Wheel of Mythfortune", marked as a regular episode. So what is so special in this "Viewer Special Threequel"?

As far as I understand there is no reliable source on this matter. Even Discovery official website do not list all the episodes. Sometimes it miss a special episodes, sometimes it doesn't. Actually, it miss several regular episodes as well. E.g., "Operation Valkyrie" do not in the list, while special "Top 25 Moments" counted in.

So it look like one should use a common sense to separate special episodes and regular one. And common sense insist, that this "Viewer Special Threequel" should be treated as a regular episode. It is not a clip-cut of a previous scenes, it has no specific content or something, it is the very common episode of Mythbusters.

The reason why am I asking you is that Russian wiki treats this episode as a regular Episode 114. Consistently, "Demolition Derby" is Episode 115, etc. Right now we have discussion on this matter. So we will appreciate any links, hints and ideas you could provide us with.

CC: Talk:MythBusters, Talk:MythBusters (2008 season) Einwill (talk) 14:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

It's listed as a special because it's not listed in the official guide like the others.[22] --AussieLegend (talk) 15:04, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, if you'll try to use this approach you'll have to list "Operation Valkyrie" as a special episode (as well as couple of other regular episodes). Also, if we use this logic, several Special episode should be listed as a regular one, cause they are listed in the official guide (SP1 "Viewers-Choice/Christmas Special" to start with). Actually, it looks like Discovery just forgot to list this episode. Sad but true. Einwill (talk) 15:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

The 2012 season will return in autumn

Heya AussieLegend, I saw your comment/note on the second to last edit you made to the article and I wanted to let you know that they will return in autumn. It's on the right side of their page on the Discovery Channel website, which says "Returns This Fall".Hpski (talk) 07:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Episode 2012 not on list.

This episode is not on the list:

http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt2337868/

(I don't have time to add it myself.) The episode does exist. It also aired on Discovery Channel Netherlands on December 16, 2012. 93.95.251.162 (talk) 11:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC) Martin.

And Australia in September. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

(Thanks to the kind person who added the episode.) 93.95.251.162 (talk) 15:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC) Martin

The 2013 season will return 1st of May

I saw on the Mythbusters page on Discovery Channel that they will Return on 1 May. It is on the side of the page. http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/tv-schedule.htm Negus42 (talk) 07:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Double over all numer 232

The over all numer 232 is double given.

210 13 "Traffic Tricks" December 28, 2013 (Discovery Netherlands) 232

210 1 "Star Wars Special"[63] January 4, 2014 232

mybe this is a copy paste error ?

178.7.51.166 (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC) Corpsman

Numbering of episodes that aired first outside of the U.S.

Since the Plane Boarding-episode in 2012, some episodes aired first in Australia and other countries than the US. This makes the already messed up numering system even more complicated. In my opinion the current way of numbering episodes (by air-date and year) is the rigt way, but I would use the US air date as reference, instead of the first international air date, because this is the order Adam and Jamie are referring to in interviews and the recent live comments of new episodes and the US is the main market. Also, the current way is inconsistent: The Plane Boarding episode is the last 2012 episode in the guide, but aired (in Australia) before several other episodes in that season. Using the US air date as reference would make things a lot clearer and would match (at least in terms of order) the official episode guide at the discovery website. Aliosos (talk) 21:55, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

So far, the episode hasn't aired in the US but it had to be placed somewhere. For consistency, when it airs in the US it should be moved, with a note that it aired in Australia first. We've been following the official episode guide since 2009 and this would be consistent with that. I'm curious about "the already messed up numering system"[sic]. What do you mean by that? --AussieLegend (✉) 03:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Glad to hear that you agree that the episode should be moved (later), but that would require to change all the subsequent numbers every time, wouldn't it? Sounds like a lot of work, maybe it would be easier to list these episodes seperatly (in a special category) until they air in the US. Currently these episodes have two entries with two overall numbers each, that is a bit confusing. By "messed up numbering system" I just meant that there is no "official" numbering system with traditional seasons end episodes like it is common for most TV series, every website does it differently. But the current Wikipedia way (except for the mentioned first internationally aired episodes) is the most logical way I've seen so far. Aliosos (talk) 22:59, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

So far, renumbering the episodes hasn't been a problem and it seems to be the easiest way to handle this since it's not something that has happened often. Plane Boarding is the first episode that has aired in the US so long after it was first aired elsewhere. Usually episodes are aired in the same year so there are only a few numbers that have had to be changed. The "Overall episode No." column is really only to allow an accurate episode count, needed because of Discovery's annoying habit of not listing some episodes in the official episode guide. It was because of the numbering inconsistencies across websites that I decided in 2009 to use the official guide as that was the most consistent, but it's still not perfect. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Special Episodes

How are the special episodes numbers counted? For example, in the 2013 season, in the season section there are 22 episodes, none of which are listed as special, e.g. SP23 etc. However, at the table at the top of the page, the 2013 season has 1 special episode listed. Are things like the Breaking Bad special included in this table as being special episodes even though they are counted as normal episodes in the season section? If so, there doesn't seem to be any consistency at the moment as then there should be 2 special episodes in the 2013 season as there was also the Zombie "special".

Given the large number of "special" or cross-over episodes at the moment. Would it not make sense to refer to "special" episodes in the top of the page table as just being those given an SPXX numbering system, like the A-Z of Explosions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.66 (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, there should be 3 specials in 2013 as there was also the Deadliest Catch episode. I think only referring to the actual "special" episodes as being "special" (SPXX) would make the episode numbering at the top of the page, and on the main Mythbusters page episode count much easier to keep track of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.66 (talk) 18:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

The table would then look like this, which makes things far easier to follow and has the actual correct episode counts:

Season		Standard episodes	Special episodes	Total episodes	Season premiere	Season finale
	Pilot (2003)	—	3	3	January 23, 2003 (2003-01-23)	March 7, 2003 (2003-03-07)
	2003	8	0	8	September 23, 2003 (2003-09-23)	December 12, 2003 (2003-12-12)
	2004	16	1	17	January 11, 2004 (2004-01-11)	December 22, 2004 (2004-12-22)
	2005	19	7	26	February 2, 2005 (2005-02-02)	November 16, 2005 (2005-11-16)
	2006	26	2	28	January 11, 2006 (2006-01-11)	December 13, 2006 (2006-12-13)
	2007	25	0	25	January 10, 2007 (2007-01-10)	December 12, 2007 (2007-12-12)
	2008	19	2	21	January 16, 2008 (2008-01-16)	November 19, 2008 (2008-11-19)
	2009	23	0	23	April 8, 2009 (2009-04-08)	December 28, 2009 (2009-12-28)
	2010	23	2	25	January 4, 2010 (2010-01-04)	December 22, 2010 (2010-12-22)
	2011	19	3	22	April 6, 2011 (2011-04-06)	November 30, 2011 (2011-11-30)
	2012	19	3	22	March 25, 2012 (2012-03-25)	November 25, 2012 (2012-11-25)
	2013	12	0	12	May 1, 2013 (2013-05-01)	October 17, 2013 (2013-10-17)
	2014	4	0	4	January 4, 2014 (2014-01-04)	TBA
	Best of… (2004)	—	3	3	March 24, 2004 (2004-03-24)	May 9, 2010 (2010-05-09)
	Buster’s Cut (2010)	—	9	9	June 30, 2004 (2004-06-30)	October 27, 2010 (2010-10-27)
	Totals	194	35	248

N.B. I moved the young scientist special back into the 2008 season rather than keeping it in the special "seasons" sections as it probably makes more sense for it to go there :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.66 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

There is an explanation as to how episodes are numbered at Talk:MythBusters (2014 season)#episode duplication. The Young Scientists special aired as a special episode outside of the normal episode and special run, which is why it's in the special section, along with other similar episodes. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Two specials listed as SP12

Both "Viewer Special Threequel" and "Car Conundrum" are listed as SP12. From the original air dates, I think Viewer Special Threequel should be SP12, while Car Conundrum should be SP14. This would make "Planes, Trains and Automobiles Special" (currently SP14) become SP15. Subsequent specials would also be incremented by 1.

Because the numbering for MythBusters has been so problematic, I didn't want to attempt any changes without asking, but if I'm correct, I'm happy to help do the update.

What do you think?

Thestorm042 (talk) 20:54, 23 August 2014 (UTC)