Talk:List of NHL records (individual)

Tom Barraso listed twice

Does Tom Barraso's "most points by a goaltender" really need to be listed twice? He's already in the list for the goals/assists/points by position section, so it doesn't really seem necessary to list him in the specific "Points" section, since that'd open up the precedent to include other positions, which are already covered later in the article. Crimson667 (talk) 02:20, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Disclaimer needed?

Is this list subject to the following rule found at NHL statistical leaders as well? "This is a list of National Hockey League statistical leaders through the end of the 2006-07 season. Statistics from the 2007-08 season will be included after that season is completed." If it is, then we should include the disclaimer here as well. (on a side note, is disclaimer the correct word?) Schmloof (talk) 18:73, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

It actually is followed on all hockey pages. The only reason we have a disclaimer on the other one is a couple times a day its hit by people changing the numbers. -Djsasso (talk) 19:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

So this most recent edit was done after Brodeur's latest win. Do we keep it or revert it? Schmloof (talk) 05:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the purpose of this disclaimer is so there are not countless edits being made throughout the season. But if a record like this is broken, only a single edit has to be made, so it is reasonable to update it. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 14:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the disclaimer may be discouraging edits seeing as the 2010-11 season has been over for 8 months. Isn't the point of wikipedia that articles can be updated piecemeal? Regardless, Bouwmeester broke Skrastins record of consecutive games by a D-man, for the record. (RMB1987 (talk) 20:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC))

That is the point of it, to discourage updates. Lists like this getting updated piecemeal make them inaccurate as one player tends to get updated but others don't. -DJSasso (talk) 13:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Brodeur

Please don't tell me that every time Brodeur gets a win, the page is going to be updated. Masterhatch (talk) 06:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it. The policy (it may have been changed since I last checked, which was probably over a year ago) was that stats should only be edited after the end of the season. Since records are directly related to stats, I would think that it would follow the same guideline, the only exception being when a record is broken or tied I suppose...but even then, I think most people would rather wait until the end of the season. Bsroiaadn^Talk 01:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

So, if a bunch of IPs are updating it, do we reverting it or leaving it? Masterhatch (talk) 14:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

See, I knew it was policy to not update all the time, but IPs don't seem to know that. As I predicted, the wins record was updated. Not worth reverting, but how can we control this? Semi-protect this page? Masterhatch (talk) 16:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Brodeur, in NHL Goaltending records it says that Roy won 13 times in which he won at least 30 games; it's not true, it's actually 12; Brodeur is also 12 and this year he'll probably get his 13th time and displace Roy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azubarev2 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually Patrick Roy does have 13 seasons. What is probably throwing you off is that the year he was traded he won 12 for the Canadians and 22 for the Avalanche. -DJSasso (talk) 15:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Brodeur actually broke the shutout record now too. He's at 104 versus Sawchuck's 103 according to his website he also has the most games played all time and the most minutes played all time. It shows the 12 versus 13 times as well but if you look further the 13 of Roy's seems to be correct.... (http://www.martinbrodeur30.com/home/) martyb33 (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

If you notice the note at the top of the page, these records are as of the end of last season. We don't update statistics mid season to avoid having incorrect numbers and confusion. -DJSasso (talk) 17:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Why does single season win record have an asterisk?

I am just curious, but why does the single season win record have an asterisk after the year? As far as I know, the NHL doesn't have an asterisk in their record books, so why here? Also, there's nothing to explain what the asterisk means. I am pretty sure I know why someone put it there (even if it goes against what the NHL record book has), but it should still be explained for non-hockey fans or casual hockey fans. 173.3.58.157 (talk) 07:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing. Masterhatch (talk) 16:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I was the one who posted that comment without logging in, by the way...just mentioning. But, anyway, I would have removed it myself but I wasn't sure if there was a reason for it being there that WP:HOCKEY had discussed, so I was just leaving it for someone else to do so. Thanks.; I really need to get back to editing articles again, I miss this place. Haha. Bsroiaadn^Talk 01:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

If you guys are talking about the single season win record by Brodeur, which doesn't currently have an asterisk, but definitely should, please put it back. The single season win record should belong to Bernie Parent, who had 47 wins back before ties were abolished. If ties were not abolished there is no way Brodeur gets that record. I'd edit it myself but don't know how 129.42.208.176 (talk) 22:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

A win is a win, the NHL doesn't distinguish between a regulation win and an overtime or shootout win. If asterisks are used, every record will need one. The rules have changed, the number of games per year have changed, etc. 99.246.133.31 (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Which section?

Which section would the record "Most shutouts by a rookie goaltender" go under: Rookies or Goaltender? Seeing as I noticed Tony Esposito's record of 15 shutouts as a rookie is not on here. -- 142.161.93.38 (talk) 08:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Good question. Maybe we need a new section called "Rookie goaltenders" or something like that. Add all the rookie goalie records there. Just an idea. Masterhatch (talk) 16:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Under fastest goals, Doug Gilmour also scored two goals in 4 seconds, his were shorthanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.94.59.195 (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Longest point streak by a rookie, one season:

"Paul Stastny (Feb 3 2007-Mar 17 2007) 20 games" - Though not verified, it says on Keith Tkachuk's page that "he appeared in 83 games and ended the season with 28 goals and 51 points, including a 23–game scoring streak from March 9 to April 3, 1993" in his rookie season. Jaateloauto (talk) 23:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Most shots in a single game

Can someone please add this one to the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.97.196 (talk) 18:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

It might not be an officially kept record by the NHL. -DJSasso (talk) 19:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Martin Brodeur & Terry Sawchuck

This article might need semi-protection, due to 'you know what'. GoodDay (talk) 17:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Not sure that that is technically allowed since it isn't actual vandalism. Just revert and move on. It will die down in a few days. -DJSasso (talk) 17:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Until Brodeur gets his 104th, of course. GoodDay (talk) 17:32, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

career shutouts leader

{{editsemiprotected}} the information about the most shutouts, career is incorrect. Martin Brodeur currently holds the record with 104 career shutouts. He has passed Terry Sawchuck, who has 103 career shutouts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.21.214 (talk • contribs)

 Not done Please provide a source for this statement.  fetchcomms☛ 02:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

If you notice the notice at the top of the page these records are as of the end of last season, we do not update midseason. -DJSasso (talk) 03:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Lock down this page?

There are a whole bunch of edits on March 13th that appear to be bogus. I don't know how to revert easily back several edits but someone who knows should look at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.184.76 (talk) 15:33, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Goal/assist/point streaks

Does anyone know if there's a "Most consecutive team goals with a point [in consecutive games]" list/record? This being the player has scored or assisted on every goal by their team in consecutive games. -DarkNITE (talk) 05:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Jagr according to Hockey Night in Canada in the second intermission of tonight's Oilers/Wings game. I think it was 14 or 15 points over 6 or 7 games. And that record is now safe. Hwy43 (talk) 05:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be posted then? -DarkNITE (talk) 00:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

We don't have every possible record because you can make up all kinds of records depending on how you twist statistics. We mainly just have the notable ones. -DJSasso (talk) 12:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I think we can to add the Record "Most consecutive natural hat-trick: Cy Denneny, 4 (1923-1924) Thomas Vanek, 4 (2009)". Source from Vanek Wiki site :Vanek carved a unique little slice of NHL history with a natural hat-trick to cap the Sabres' 5-0 cruise past the Toronto Maple Leafs in HSBC Arena. It was also Vanek’s fourth consecutive natural hat-trick, matching an NHL record set by Cy Denneny between 1923 and 1924 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kankra9 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Generally we just add official records (the ones the NHL tracks which can be found in their Record book put out each year) to this page. By playing with statistics we can add a million different records. So we only list the highly notable ones. I wouldn't say that one is. -DJSasso (talk) 22:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

2012

Most points by a goaltender, in single season playoffs: Martin Brodeur, 4 Most points by a goaltender, in career playoff games: Martin Brodeur, 13

New category for goalie

Most points by a goaltender, in career including playoffs: Tom Barrasso, 55

• Broduer(active 2012) 54

Most points by a goaltender, in career playoff games: Martin Brodeur, 9

• Active (2012) , 13

Most points by a goaltender, in a single season playoffs: ? Ron Hextal 4 Martin Brodeur 4 (so far) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcbain942 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Michael Frolík's penalty shot record in the playoffs

I would like to cast my vote for adding a new section at the end of the season for "Most penalty shot goals, career playoffs", which is currently owned by Michael Frolík of the Chicago Blackhawks with 2 career PS goals. He scored against the Red Wings last night, and did it previously against the Canucks in 2011. No other NHL player has more than 1 career PS goal in the playoffs. Reference W00d (talk) 05:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The reconds on this page are the ones that officially appear in the NHL record book. I don't believe that one likely does. There are lots of trivial stats combinations you can make to create records but there are only a few truly notable ones. -DJSasso (talk) 12:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's another reference straight from the NHL themselves: NHL.com - Frolik in NHL record book with 2nd penalty shot. I would say that since the NHL itself is reporting on it as a record, and the fact that nobody else has done what Frolik has done in the NHL's 96 year history, that it is noteworthy enough to be included. If Martin Brodeur's 3 goals is rare enough a feat to be included, Frolik's 2 penalty shots ought to be as well. Both are equally rare. W00d (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Two issues

One, the page needs to be updated, as the next season is nearly upon us and the page notice is still stuck on the end of the 2011-12 season. Two, there are only two refs in the entire page, but the bottom of the page says the whole page is referencing the NHL record book (admittedly outdated, but still). So are we just putting all the records in the book and sourcing the official record book wholesale? Anthony (talk) 19:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Basically yes, the only records that appear on this page should be the ones officially recognized in that book as those are the only official records. I have been meaning to match up what is on this page with what is in that book for awhile now but I haven't bought the most recent version of the book in a few years. -DJSasso (talk) 15:51, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Game winning goals issue

According to this article forward Jagr moves closer to NHL record with 119th game-winning goal, Jaromir Jagr does not yet have the record. Gordie Howe has the record of 121. I'm not sure the update made today is correct. Rodeointhegreatwhitenorth (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

You are correct. I have fixed. -DJSasso (talk) 15:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Current Season

If this page shouldn't include the current season, the little memo should say "2013-14 season", not "2012-13 season". Just sayin'.

Longest Shutout Streak To Begin Career

This stat needs to be updated as it's currently held by Matt Hackett (2011-2012 season) at 102 minutes 48 seconds (or 36 seconds depending on how you count it). [1]68.112.173.199 (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Assists

Most assists, playoffs, in one season: Wayne Gretzky, 31 (1988). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielvis08 (talk • contribs) 07:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Others records of assists

• Most assists, one game, in playoffs: Mikko Leinonen 6 (a game in 1982) and Wayne Gretzky 6 ( April 09, 1987).
• Most assists, one playoffs season: Rick Middleton 14 (1983) and Wayne Gretzky 14 (1985). All that from a hockey book of records dated 2014. --Danielvis08 (talk) 08:06, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Again another record not there

In 1983, Rick Middleton from Bruins registers a record in playoffs in one season: 5 goals and 14 assists for 19 points in 7 games against Sabres.--Danielvis08 (talk) 08:29, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Posting records in the talk page

Anyone who knows about a record that should be placed in the article, should not put it here on the talk page. Please edit it on the article. The previous three sections above are examples of what not to do. Any improvements to the article such as more info/refs can be discussed here, but don't put records here. It makes editors have to check and see if that's a record and edit it into the article.Conyo14 (talk) 01:08, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I should note generally only those records officially tracked in the NHL Record and Stats book put out each year should be on the list. Technically the rest aren't official records. -DJSasso (talk) 00:33, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I think we should deviate away from the book as people can merely search that instead of this page. Yes there are records here that aren't official with the book. However the book might not contain information people are searching for. So using references from other websites can help this page grow and maybe cover topics that are random i.e. block shots, shot attempts, or even hits. NHL.com doesn't cover these topics as well as other websites or even regional TV channels. Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Well the idea behind it is that, is it actually a record if the league doesn't say its a record. Sort of like in the Olympics, if they don't certify something as a record then its not a record. If it is just a statistical occurrence (ie most blocks in a game), then we start falling into wp:notstats territory where we are just playing with various statistical numbers to get "records". Because you can literally come up with hundreds if not thousands of "records" just by changing the statistical parameter slightly. -DJSasso (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Well we definitely don't want a thousand records on one page. That's why we editors need to control what gets onto the page. Perhaps if they find a record that is recognized by the NHL, but is not specifically recorded into that book, and it contains a ref to a specific article or even stat on NHL.com then we can put it onto this article. But I agree, we can't have an extremely long list of stats with some no one care about (i.e. Stanley Cup Final Goals) Conyo14 (talk) 17:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that makes sense, I was mostly just using the book as the best known list of the NHLs acknowledged records. If they have sources along the same lines that is fine too. -DJSasso (talk) 17:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Ironically, I was going to create a new section for the NHL awards on here, (Most "trophy name"s , most consecutive, etc.) which isn't statistically recorded at all. Only nhl.com and wiki record winners –Conyo14 (talk) 17:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Oldest Player to Debut in Official NHL Game

While David Ayres certainly qualified without question for the "Oldest Goalie to win regular season debut:", wouldn't he just as qualified to also qualify for "Oldest Player to play his first NHL game:", currently held by Connie Madigan (38 years, 94 days), as well as "Oldest Goalie to play his first NHL game:", currently held by Jorge Alves (37 years, 30 days)? Or would those two categories go only for players who were selected to play on a regular, non-emergency basis? Michaelopolis (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Takeaways and Giveaways?

Just wondering if you could add those if they are worthy. 70.55.212.216 (talk) 03:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Remove Editing Notice

Editing the List of NHL records (individual) page shows the notice: PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE STATISTICS FROM THE 2017–18 NHL SEASON. THEY WILL BE REVERTED. The statistics on this page are the statistics as they were as of the end of the 2016–17 NHL regular season. All statistics from the 2017–18 NHL season should not be added until the season is over. The reason we do this is to ensure accuracy of the data as if you were going to edit one player's statistics, you would have to edit everybody's statistics. Should you have any questions or concerns, please discuss this on the talk page.

This seems very outdated, both in terms of its message and of course the dates -- is there any reason to keep the notice at all?