Talk:List of Osmania University people

Inclusion criteria

Criteria for inclusion in lists like this is NOTABILITY, not VERIFIABILITY. All a person who reads these lists needs to do to verify an entry is to read the notable person's article. Only red links, articles awaiting creation, require proper verification. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 06:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, no. There are BLP issues here. The requirement for citations for this list is to ensure that BLP issues are removed. Fiddle Faddle 08:20, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Cite cite cite. If you feel citations are so important, perhaps you'll cite the exact BLP issues you feel are involved?

This is a list of notable people who are involved with a university, that is all. When readers see a list like this, they expect to find the notable people who belong on this list herein listed on this page. There is nothing sinister here that I can see, so you're going to have to walk me through this one, Timtrent. Also, do you know how many lists like this there are on Wikipedia? Any BLP issues on this page may affect all those other lists, as well. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 04:11, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, I just searched and found a lot of lists like this that are formatted like this one:

• List of University of Florida people

Please note that there is not one single reference citation for any of those many people listed on that page. Also please note the absence of the BLP template on that list's talk page. So you can see how very far-reaching your idea becomes? – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 04:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Paine Ellsworth - I think you're right on this one. Look at List of University of Cambridge members, List of Durham University people, List of University of Nottingham people, List of University of Glasgow people, List of University of Washington people, List of Georgia State University people, List of University of Delaware people and many many similar lists. None of them have the BLP template on their talk pages. UI1990 (talk) 05:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I have never understood people who fight against citing things and give examples of other poor practices as rationale for continuing mediocrity. This is meant to be as reliable an encyclopaedia as we can make it, so let;s get to work and do that thing. The other articles? They are simply ones that have not yet been improved. We can all find mediocre articles in Wikipedia. Let's just improve them. Fiddle Faddle 07:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, that dog won't hunt, Fiddle Faddle. The reason all those pages do not have BLP issues (and neither does this page) is because the BLP issues are handled on each individual person's article page and talk page. You have not yet shown any BLP issues about this page for consideration. In other words, you are soooo concerned about citations on this page and yet you seem unwilling to provide any Wikipedia policy or guideline that supports your contention. Please be open about this and provide a citation that supports what you say. And please be specific about the BLP issues that are of concern to you. I'm not trying to argue with you; I'm just trying to understand. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 18:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I studied the rules and policies of this website yesterday and Paine Ellsworth is right in this case. This type of lists shouldn't have BPL template because BPL issues are handled on individual pages of the biographies of living people. Going by the reasoning of Timtrent, lists like List of Somali poets, List of Albanian-language poets, List of South African poets and many alike lists will should have BPL template. Adding BPL template on similar lists could only make things more bureaucratic. BPL issues should be handled on individual pages of living people. UI1990 (talk) 06:17, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I've done a fair amount of work on lists involving people. We do, of course, have the core WP:V policy but sometimes people argue that there is no need to cite in a list because the information is sourced in the linked article. That would be fine if it were always true but, alas, it is not. Furthermore, if linked articles change then the list gets out of sync. Far, far better to treat the list as an independent entity and thus greatly simplify the task of maintenance. WP:BLP is always a concern, by the way, and sourcing here removes that concern. What's not to like?

I saw a TV programme last week that referred to Osmania, noting the number of forged degree certificates that are circulating (apparently often used for the purpose of getting visas etc). If I could find something about that in print then that also should be mentioned. - Sitush (talk) 08:48, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

@Sitush: http://www.newswala.com/Hyderabad-News/Fake-educational-certificate-makers-arrested-by-Hyderabad-Police-43762.html probably what you are looking for. It seems to me that, with such scams floating about, citation of Alumniship wherever that assertion appears is very important. Fiddle Faddle 09:11, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

No red links on this type of lists

I removed the name of Satish Reddy from this list yesterday. It appears as if some people add names on this type of lists for publicity. I believe non-notable names (i.e., red links) in List of [Name of the university] people lists should be removed. If the individual is really notable and his/her biography is created, the name can be re-added to the list. UI1990 (talk) 05:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I have seen many lists that had a few or many red links. If the subject of the red link would be on the list if there were an article about him or her, then as long as a reliable source is also included, it is actually a good thing for them to be on the list. That red link might stimulate someone to write an article about them. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 14:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Provided that the reliable source also indicates notability, yes. More often than not, they don't. - Sitush (talk) 17:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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