Talk:List of Protestant missionaries in China

List of China Inland Mission missionaries in China

Those missionaries in this list page that are already in the List of China Inland Mission missionaries in China could be deleted from here and replaced as a group by inserting the CIM link. DFH 18:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Link inserted in the See also section. All that remains to do now is to filter out the CIM names from the list, and add an explanation near the top of the article. DFH 20:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I have now filtered out the names that were duplicated in the CIM list, though I can't vouch for accuracy on whether any of the names remaining should be moved to that list. I also restructured the page, and added a category. DFH 13:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

CIM missionaries Alfred Jennings, Rose Jennings, Jessie Jennings, Charles Herbert Hess, Winifred May Jennings Hess should be added to the CIM missionary list. These are my grandparents, aunt, and parents. I am new to all this editing procedure so am not sure how to go about this. I will do all I can to find dates, however locations were varied on different times in China. Any help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajoyp (talk • contribs) 22:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Actions required to improve the linked articles

The linked article for each listed missionary needs to be checked to see if the See also section has a list of names that can be simply replaced by a link back to this article, and/or to the one for CIM missionaries. DFH 19:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

List of China Inland Mission missionaries in China

Thanks, David for all of your good ideas. It might be good to break down the list by society. I plan on filling in a lot of these "red" links soon. Some individuals made contributions in multiple societies after leaving the C.I.M. and I wouldn't want to pigeonhole them (such as C.T. Studd). But I do agree that we have a lot of duplication going on. Brian York

Taiwan

I have assumed that it is appropriate to include here missionaries such as Reverend Thomas Barclay who was a missionary in Taiwan. DFH 15:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Mergers

Hello, I have made some bold attempts to put all of the Protestant missionaries to China on one page. I admit that it is bulky, but I believe that it would aid researchers who are not familiar with which agency exactly to look for. Please feel free to comment. A good goal would be to have each agency under it's own header.Brian0324 21:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Since The Hundred missionaries of the CIM in 1887 aren't notable enough in their own right for a page - the material has been added here.Brian0324 18:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Source documents - I think what would be most useful is that a page could be made for lists of source documents with the title of source, name of person, missionary society, location, date that would avoid duplication of effort for reading and transcribing and show where people could go to get more info about a person. The creation of lists of members of societies, missionaries in X (eg Shanxi), movement of missionaries between socities, etc., could be easily done. Pbhj (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Agencies - could we dispense with the page of [List_of_Protestant_missionary_societies_in_China_1807-1953 missionary agencies] and instead have the details merged here? Why are only Protestant listed, why not Catholic too? It will make a huge page, but I think that is better for organising the stuff. We should stick to a basic format too (not tables!) whilst the page is being made up and then agree to convert it to a table later. Comments? Pbhj (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

There is a List of Roman Catholic missionaries in China, already. It would be confusing to merge them with this list. I divided the missionaries by their agency like most source documents did.Brian0324 (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

non-notables

The following have been removed from the list until notability or relevance is established.

"Other C.I.M. workers"

• William J. Drew
• Adam Grainger
• Charles Herbert Hess
• George F. Holmes
• Winifred May Jennings Hess
• Alfred Jennings
• Rose Jennings
• Jessie Jennings
• Raymond H. Joyce
• Barbara Reid Kauderer (1903 - 1931) Nanchang
• Johann George Kauderer (1897 - 1930) Nanchang
• Mary Kennedy
• Andrew Kennedy
• Aubrey Parsons
• Talmage Dewitt Payne (Yunnan)
• Lillian Phillips
• Malcolm Phillips
• Fred Purchas
• May Purchas (nee Grainger)
• Joan Wales

non-notables I don't think (Brian?) has done this right. Non-notables shouldn't have pages on wikipedia, but they shouldn't be excised from lists. Any non-notables should be included but not wikified. Indeed I would remove the wikilink for all those names not currently represented as separate pages. Pbhj (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

See WP:NOTE for further info on my rationale, here. They simply shouldn't be on the list if notability can't be established - Wikipedia isn't a storage for information - it's an encyclopedia, of course. Cheers!Brian0324 (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I would usually agree with Brian0324, but in this case would rather keep the names unwikified, as there are records of these CIM missionaries, and virtually all did have an impact historically. However, we could shorten the list by regrouping families: e.g. Johann and Barbara Kauderer, Andrew and Many Kennedy, Malcom and Lillian Phillips, Fred and May Purchas, etc..., if that's ok.--Scotchorama (talk) 16:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I have a number of books on the CIM, but these names are unfamiliar to me. Are they mentioned in anything other than the unpublished CIM records in any significant way? I think that that is the standard WP approach to biographical notability - appearing in print as a significant subject. I would really like to know their stories - but I would hate to see a list like this become an unwieldy collection or a mere memorial to anyone who served on the mission field in China.Brian0324 (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that not all should be listed. Here are a few that may be notable enough: William Drew, George F. Holmes and Aubrey Parsons are mentioned in the Emil Fischbacher article, Adam Grainger wrote "Western Mandarin of the Spoken Language of west China", published by the American Presbyterian Mission, Raymond H Joyce is mentioned several times as an expert on Islam (he focused on Islam after being expelled by the Communists in China), Talmage Payne is mentioned as a famous graduate of the Moody Bible Institute before being expelled from China, Joan Wales has had a book written about her (Point Me to the Skies, by Ronald Clements). What we could do is paste such lists to "list" articles linked to individual article. For example, a list of CIM missionaries could be created as a separate article linked from the CIM/OMF main article. Since there already is a separate article for Historical bibliography of OMF International, that would not be unreasonable, I think.--Scotchorama (talk) 08:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Or we could list the dead links in this talk page, and then move them into the standard page when articles have been written on them.--Alfredie (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

That's ok with me. Also, if nobody objects, I'd like to redo (at some point) the Other Protestant Agencies table and make it sortable. That will help regrouping missionaries under the Affiliation category.--Scotchorama (talk) 08:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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Pearl Buck

i'm not seeing Pearl Buck. I don't know the subject well enough so I'm not sure if this is deliberate but she is arguably the most famous chinese missionary ever. jbolden1517^Talk 22:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I added Buck to the list. She is less notable as a missionary than as an author.Brian0324 (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that Buck was NOT a missionary, but the child of a missionary. I'll look into it, but since our chart has her being born and arriving in cCina in the same year . . . . . . . . . . . . . ......... well, food for thought. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Buck was a missionary of the Presbyterian board from 1914 to 1932. I will edit Pearl Buck to make this clear, citing Peter Conn's biography. She resigned because of broad reaction against her criticism, asking "Is There A Case for Foreign Missions." ch (talk) 17:19, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

That was fast! Thanks a lot for setting me straight. Carptrash (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for raising the question, better than letting an unquestioned mistake stay in an article.ch (talk) 20:52, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

George Kaufelt Harris (1887–1962)

CIM published a book entitled, Torch for Islam : a biography of George K. Harris, missionary to Muslims (1965). This is now out of print. According to COPAC, a copy is held at Oxford. DFH (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Wilhelm Lobscheid

Create article on Wilhelm Lobscheid. [Links commented out; available by editing the page.] Rajmaan (talk) 04:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Not really the right place for this. Try the help or community portal links to the left of this page. Also, don't use up so much space. — LlywelynII 02:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Move?

This should probably be moved to Protestant missionaries to China inasmuch as Liang Fa, Wat Ngong, & al. were official Protestant missionaries as well but the native workers are obviously outside the SCOPE of what this article is interested in. — LlywelynII 02:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Non-notables -- remove, Notables red link

Although I do believe that every missionary who went to China did have some impact, the general guidlines for lists still apply: WP:LISTPEOPLE requires that a person is normally included only if the person 1) meets the WP:NOTABILITY requirement and 2) is established by WP:RELIABLE SOURCES.

If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article, a citation to a reliable source or link to another article must be provided to establish notability, not merely that a person was in fact a missionary. This is partly because of policies at Wikipedia is not a directory.

Redlinking names will create a way to see important missionaries who do not have articles, such as Luella Miner, Gardner Tewskbury, Ira Miller Condit, George F. Fitch, Walter Macon Lowrie, Mary Margaret Moninger, William Speer (missionary), Rosewll Hobart Graves (these are examples of those known to me; others may well also be Notable.

I will remove names from the list carefully, however, by checking the names in KS Latourette's History of Christian Missions in China or a Google search to see if notability might possibly be established for those who do not have articles.

If they are possibly notable but without an article, I will redlink the names. I will add the names of others here as they are removed.ch (talk) 07:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

LATER: I've come across essays that reinforce my advice that Wikipedia policy says that this list should not try try to list all of the thousands and thousands of men and women who were Protestant missionaries, but only those who we can show were notable:

Namechecking is an essay with strong opinions: "Don't add people who have not been proven to pass WP:BIO to articles without a really good reason."

Another such essay is WP:ALMAMATER, which gives equally strong advice and links to policy pages.

But much respect to those editors who are looking after this significant area, with hopes that some of them can establish a website with such a list. It would be easy to link such a site and list.ch (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

100 CIM MIssionaries

I cut this list of unchecked people and the text, since these are not appropriate for a List Page. A number of them are already on the list above in any case. I preserve them here in case someone wants to use them to start an article.

The Hundred were deployed by the China Inland Mission in response to a call for workers issued in 1886. All of the 100 candidates had been sent to China by 1887. This was further catapulted the mission into the public spotlight and dramatically increased the size of the entire Protestant missionary enterprise in China in the 1800s. Also noteworthy was the fact that over half were single women.

1. John Brock
2. William Russell
3. John Darroch 竇樂安 (1865-1941) Shanxi, Shanghai
4. Erik Folke
5. F. Dymond
6. S. Pollard
7. Gertrude Muir
8. Priscilla Livingstone Stewart (Priscilla Studd)
9. C. Thomson
10. K. McWatters
11. E. J. Burroughes
12. F. M. Britton
13. E. M. Johnson
14. A. McQuillan
15. Caroline Gates
16. J. A. Miller
17. M. MacKee
18. H. Parker
19. E. Webber
20. C. Groves
21. Knight
22. L. K. Ellis
23. Alexander Armstrong
24. Mrs. Armstrong
25. M. E. Scott
26. A. A. Miles
27. H. Judd
28. E. Culverwell
29. L. M. Forth
30. Stewartson
31. W. J. Lewis
32. A. Hoddle
33. J. O. Curnow
34. Arthur Henry Faers (1863-1951) Suifu, Chefoo, Weihsien
35. I. F. Drysdale
36. D. J. Mills
37. James Adam
38. Archibald Gracie
39. Ed Tomkinson
40. Mrs. Tomkinson
41. E. Maud Holme
42. H. R. Waldie
43. A. K. Ferriman
44. S. E. Bastone
45. A. K. Hook
46. Harriet Cutt
47. Emma Fryer
48. H. N. MacGregor
49. John A. Stooke
50. Mrs. Stooke
51. Archibald Orr-Ewing
52. Dagald Lawson
53. A. H. Huntley
54. Florence Ellis
55. Clara Ellis
56. K. Williamson
57. M. Palmer
58. E. Hainge
59. M. Mitchell
60. E. Marchbank
61. I. W. Ramsey
62. Gertrude Ord
63. Benjamin Ririe
64. F. A. Redfern
65. R. Wellwood
66. Alexander Reid Saunders
67. Alfred Bland
68. Albert Lutley
69. Joshua Vale
70. Charles S. I’Anson
71. B. Curtis Waters
72. May Graham Brown
73. F. M. Williams
74. J. Arthur
75. M. J. Eland
76. E. Kentfield
77. L. Chilton
78. A. Barrett
79. William Grahame Peat
80. W. M. Belcher
81. F. E. Lund
82. A. H. Bridge
83. Ebenezer Murray
84. George A. Cox
85. Campbell
86. E. Hanbury
87. John T. Reid
88. Mrs. Reid
89. Anna Crewdson
90. Robina Crewdson
91. N. R. Rogers
92. Theresa E. Dawson (d. 1888)
93. J. Sutherland
94. Clara Baker
95. James Simpson
96. Mrs. Simpson
97. W. E. Shearer
98. Thomas D. Begg
99. Thomas Eyres
100. Ole S. Nastegaard

Robert Jermain Thomas

The entry for Robert Jermain Thomas needs attention. He was not assigned to Korea, he merely died there. He was active in Tianjin. He went to Korea but was only there for about a month (all of it spent on his ship) before he was killed. Also, the "Chinese Name" is actually his name rendered in the Korean alphabet, so is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C1:8100:23B0:A540:91F6:6960:2D18 (talk) 16:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)