Talk:List of aerial victories during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1971

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Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

There are multiple problems with the formatting of the article.

. The flags do not conform to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Encyclopedic purpose, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Do not use too many icons, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Accompany flags with country names, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Remember accessibility for the visually impaired and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Accompany flags with country names. None of the flags convey any information but are used for decoration. The flags of Pakistan don't even link to the article.
. Random capital letters. Example "Fighter Type" and "Eastern Sector". There is no reason to capitalise type or sector as neither are proper names.
. Grammar and wording. Example "Probable Kills/Unconfirmed Kills have been entered in italics text". It should be "Probable or unconfirmed kills are initalic text". Also "Victim Aircraft" and "Victim Pilot" are not the best choices for those phrases. On the fifth line, the one for Flt Lt Jayendra Sukrut Raj, under victim it has ??. Just use unknown pilot or unidentified pilot. In the line below it has "Unidentified Pilot(??)" but it just needs "Unidentified pilot". Other things like "Although not officially credited by PAF , an post-war survey by IAF found 7 F-86s of the original total 16 , missing." This should be "Although not officially credited by PAF, a post-war survey by IAF found 7 F-86s of the original total 16 missing." I just realised that the italics refer to the attacking pilot and not the downed one. It would look better if instead of Wg Cdr C V Parker in italics it was Flt Lt Nayyar Iqbal that was Flt Lt Nayyar Iqbal.
. Unnecessary and very confusing abbreviations. This is an encyclopedia for the general reader and not the expert. So things like "Flt Lt", "Fg Offr" and "Wg Cdr" may not mean a thing to the average reader. The abbreviations are not consistent either. There is "Flt Lt" and "Flt. Lt." I couldn't even figure what (Pt) and (Nav) mean and why the where randomly bold.
. Links. There is an article M. A. Ganapathy but in this article it is piped like [[M. A. Ganapathy|MA Ganapathy]] for no apparent reason. The links in the tables should follow Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Duplicate and repeat links in the tables.
. Dates. There is no need to have '71 or 71 as the year is clear from the article title. However, from Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Dates and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates, months, and years it must be 1971 in full and dates should be 7 December 1971, 7 Dec 1971, 7 December or 7 Dec but not 4th or 04-Dec-71.
. References. The link to https://www.pafmuseum.com.pk/heroes/ is used as a reference seven times. These can be combined into one using a named reference. There are several references to other Wikipedia articles but Wikipedia is not a valid reference and they should be removed. There should not be any bare external links like in the sources section.

In general the article has good information but the layout is not great and hard for a non expert to read. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 17:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Paquistan's Mirage Pilots

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I am a big fan of this Wikipedia page

I wanted to share this information I discovered.

In a documentary named :

"50 Years of the Magnificent Mirage | Aviation Documentary | Pakistan Air Force" (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rqNIloB9rjM)

The documentary at 5:00 minutes they mentioned an aerial battle that occured in the 1971 War with a Mirage pilot named Safdar Khan that is not mentioned on your page. May you please double check this information to see if it is true and then please add it to your page?

Another point I would like to mention is that on your page the Mirage pilot is named Naseem Ata but in the documentary at 5:39 minutes he his named Naeem Natta. My you please check which name is correct?

Also Salim ud Din in another Paquistani Mirage pilot appearing at 6:34 minutes that claimed a kill but is not mentioned on this page. May you please verify if this is true?

If you cloud please ascertain this information I would be truly grateful. Have a wonderful day.

Yours,

Privatesteverogers (talk) 12:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

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