Talk:List of best-selling manga/Archives/2024

Edit request for demon slayer

Demon slayer's saled needs to be updated and add 2022 and 2023 saled, its over 161 millions now 5.212.131.230 (talk) 13:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Please, provide a reliable source for that statement. Xexerss (talk) 19:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Kimetsu's circulation hasn't been updated since 2021. I'm always on the lookout for an updated number, so it will definitely be added when they decide to announce it. ManjirouEdits (talk) 05:41, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Soul eater should be Added to article

Soul eater has now surpassed 20 million sales and so should be added to this list. 2A00:23C8:5910:E401:213A:8D2B:BB08:F8F7 (talk) 01:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Source? Xexerss (talk) 01:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Dragon Ball manga sells 300 million copies

The dragon ball manga has 300 million sales, as confirmed by the publisher itself in August 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mermoz78 (talk • contribs) 08:47, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2024

Dragon ball has 350 million copies in circulation according to multiple sources including shueisha and oricon news. The references are there in the dragon ball separate wikipedia page. Pasting the link for oricon below https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/61072/full/ Kazeshini78 (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Recent reports (from official sources) state figures lower than that, like this press release from Toei,[7], so I assume that the figure from that 2008 article was just not accurate. Xexerss (talk) 17:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah if it was at 350 million in 2008 why would sources published within the last few weeks place it at 260 million? If the 2008 number was correct at the time I would expect it to be more like 400 million now, yet they report far under that. I'm not sure where that number originated, but I think this is probably a case where WP:CONTEXTMATTERS should be taken into account. Link20XX (talk) 18:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: as above. Irltoad (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I can't believe Dragon Ball has been brought back to 260M copies in circulation, despite it being notoriously wrong

For years now there have been several well-known and important sources that put the manga at over 300M copies in circulation, some even at 350M. Even adding the official sales country by country it easily exceeds 300M, but the number here never changes

The fact that it's still at 260M in particular due to the stubbornness of some users is simply absurd, and does damage to the reliability of an otherwise exemplary wikipedia page which, among other things, is also used as a source by many sites and articles which then spread this error. I can only hope it gets fixed soon 146.241.94.211 (talk) 11:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I have added 3 sources that state Dragon Ball total sales are 300 million. I have thus changed the number of total sales to 300 million and rearranged the order in the table. Luka316 (talk) 08:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful, many thanks for the excellent work 146.241.67.11 (talk) 21:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

350M figures comes from 2009, and since then many other sources started using at random times, including Wikipedia and have been circular reported WP:CIRCULAR and WP:AGE should use new figures and here is a reliable year by break down of the numbers with multiple reliable sources.

Sales worldwide - 260 million copies

• 260 Million (2022)
• 250 Million (2017, 2019)
• 240 Million (October 2016)
• 230 Million (2012, 2013, 2015, March 2016) (Before Dragon Ball Super anime)

as you can see the gradual increase of the numbers over the years, not random figures. Beastmastah (talk) 16:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

All these datas are incorrect.

Dragon Ball sold 350M copies worldwide as stated by Shueisha, Toei Animation and oricon.jp.

link:https://i.gzn.jp/img/2009/03/21/db_kai/db_kai_04_m.jpg

https://www.toei-anim.co.jp/movie/2013_dragonballz/news/30.html

https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/61072/full/

All sources reporting the 260 million are incorrect because they refer to old data that are not up to date. 2A02:B121:8012:18BE:C0F7:5FB5:ECB:555C (talk) 10:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

300 Million (2024)

link: Weekly Shonen Jump Numbers Rank Its Top 10 Best-Selling Series of All Time 158.47.227.105 (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Dragon Ball sold 350M copies worldwide

Dragon Ball sold 350M copies worldwide as stated by Shueisha, Toei Animation and oricon.jp.

link: https://i.gzn.jp/img/2009/03/21/db_kai/db_kai_04_m.jpg

https://www.toei-anim.co.jp/movie/2013_dragonballz/news/30.html

https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/61072/full/

All sources reporting the 260 million are incorrect because they refer to old data that are not up to date. 2A02:B121:8012:18BE:C0F7:5FB5:ECB:555C (talk) 10:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Natalie Comic, Toei Animation, Oricon, and these brand new ones from MaiNichi and Nikkei (I'm sure you can find more), all have Dragon Ball at 260m in circulation. The sources you're posting are over a decade old, and there was never a 260m figure posted prior to the 2008 source you're providing for it to be old data. But I do believe an update to 270m may be coming soon. ManjirouEdits (talk) 02:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

300M updated

https://www.cbr.com/shonen-jump-top-best-selling-series-rank/#:~:text=Shonen%20Jump's%20Top%2010%20Manga%20Series%20to%20Date%20(By%20Circulation%20Copies)&text=Unsurprisingly%2C%20the%20top%20three%20best,%2C%20is%20ranked%20at%20%237. 158.47.227.105 (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Weekly Shonen Jump Numbers Rank Its Top 10 Best-Selling Series of All Time

Dragon Ball - 300 million (2024)

Source: Shonen Jump's Top 10 Manga Series to Date 158.47.227.105 (talk) 01:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The CBR article you linked here also says the source is an unrevified fan account and While the graphic is fan-made, the sales data featured appears to be accurate to what's been publicly shared by Shonen Jump and its publisher, Shueisha, which suggests they did not fact check it at all. This clearly fails WP:RS. Link20XX (talk) 03:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Update content

Hello there. Please update the content of this article. One Piece has now 108 volumes and Detective Conan has 105 volumes, for example. Please reply! Thanks! 181.93.140.3 (talk) 18:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2024

Hunter x Hunter is still on going though isn't listed as 86.16.212.3 (talk) 18:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

DRAGON BALL SOLD 300+ MILLION COPIES

Dragon Ball has sold more than 300 million copies worldwide.

Here you will find the list of sales for each country with its source (look at the "reception" section):

https://ultimatepopculture.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball#cite_note-48

The sum amounts to 293,603,554 million.

However, these figures are yet to be updated, so it is safe to assume that Dragon Ball has sold more than 300 million copies.

Please update the figure, thank you. RagnoKaito (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Fandom is user-generated and not a reliable source, not to mention that "safe to assume" is blatant WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Link20XX (talk) 23:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I am not quoting fandoms. All the sources are in the link I sent, "reception" section where you can find the sales for each country and the link with the respective official source.

Take a look. 158.47.227.105 (talk) 23:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm assuming you're RagnoKaito? Anyways, I don't have the time to look through all the sources they list, but this would probably fall into WP:SYNTH territory. We should wait until we get an actual announcement with a sales number. Link20XX (talk) 01:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I get it. However, the source currently cited for Dragon Ball sales is an article by Toei, but we also have another one from Toei that claims 350 million copies.

If you need other sources that sates the 300-350 million copies, here are some you could mention:

Source 1 (oricon.jp, 2008)

Source 2 (shueisha, 2009)

Source 3 (livedoor, 2009)

Source 4 (lawson, 2009)

Source 5 (datebook, 2019)

Source 6 (Dr. Mashirito, 2021)

Source 7 (cbr, 2024) RagnoKaito (talk) 18:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see where this specific link confirms 350 million. CBR report is based on a tweet from a random user, so that's not a good source (also, CBR reports after 2023 are considered generally unreliable at WP:A&M/ORS#Situational). If these sources from fifteen years ago previously claimed that it had over 350 million, it would be expected that the series would have had a noticeable growth in its numbers since then, so it doesn't make sense that recent figures claim figures lower than that (260 million, including Oricon who in 2008 reported 350).[8][9][10][11] The only reasonable conclusion is that those old reports were simply incorrect, and we should stick to what the most recent sources indicate. Of all the links you posted perhaps the only valid thing is the manga editor's statement, but I don't think his statement alone carries more weight than any of the other recent reports that don't coincide with what he says. Xexerss (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I addressed the CBR source in another discussion (see #Weekly Shonen Jump Numbers Rank Its Top 10 Best-Selling Series of All Time). Regarding the other sources, WP:AGEMATTERS and WP:CONTEXTMATTERS suggest using the recent secondary sources (which support the 260 million number as shown above) over the older sources or primary sources. This very topic and all the sources you linked above have come up so many times in the past (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 since 2022, this discussion being number 16) that I think we need a banner or FAQ of some type to prevent this discussion from coming up yet again without any new arguments. Link20XX (talk) 03:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

That table was directly copied and pasted from a previous version of the Dragon Ball (manga) article. For your information, that table was created by Maestro2016 (talk · contribs), a sockpuppet user known for misinterpreting sales, film grosses and similar. That table was very poorly constructed and was therefore removed from the article. Figures should be provided by official sources and not based on calculations made by editors. Xexerss (talk) 02:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Unlisted manga

I've been checking the site linked below and while some manga has lower numbers than listed here (most likely because they're outdated) there were some titles missing from the table:
- Onihei Hankachō (30 million copies)
- Negima is listed but at 20 million copies compared to 26 million copies there.
Sword Art Online (30 million copies), The Irregular at Magic High School (22 million copies) and Slayers (20 million copies) are also listed there but looks like those numbers are from light novel sales.
Source: Mangazenkan's total sales list
85.140.92.101 (talk) 13:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok after some googling I've realised that Negima is listed at 26m there because that also includes UQ HOLDER! sales as a part of the series.

Also as far as I can see this page has That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, The Apothecary Diaries, A Certain Magical Index, Haruhi Suzumiya which are all originally light novels so there's no reason to not include Sword Art Online, The Irregular at Magic High School and Slayers sales as well after all. 85.140.92.101 (talk) 12:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Since no one is answering you, although I was hoping the people who added those sources might say something, it's been over 2 months so I'll give you my take on this.

I know some series use Mangazenkan here as a source, and I've brought that up before but no one has addressed it. That's a tertiary source that's just compiling information from actual sources, just like what we do here on this Wiki page. I wouldn't use that as a source because it's effectively the same as citing this page itself as a source. Rather, we should be using the actual secondary sources that Mangazenkan themselves get their numbers from (which we don't even know what their sources are to begin with).

As for why some light novel series are here while others are not, I can't really attest to that as I'm not the one who's added any. What I do know is that the figures for series like Tensura & Apothecary Diaries are mostly made up of manga sales, as the light novel industry is only a fraction of the size of the manga industry, and their manga counterparts often sell more in a single week than their entire light novel collection will sell in a year - so I'd say their presence here fits.

(Basing these next ones on List of best-selling light novels) SAO's 30m source is solely light novel numbers. Irregular at Magic School is majority light novel. Slayers had 18 million in circulation just based off of the 50 Light Novel Volumes it had (as reported by Crunchyroll), and although it has a few manga spin-offs, the vast majority of its volumes are light novels (56 LN vs 26 Manga). So even if the extra 2m change from 18m > 20m came purely from manga sales (highly unlikely), the vast majority of its copies are made up of Light Novels. So personally I would not add those 3 series here, though someone else might.

So I just wanted to give you some semblance of answer so that you weren't just completely ignored, but personally, I am not going to change/add anything regarding those light novel series. ManjirouEdits (talk) 03:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)