Talk:List of cultural icons of Italy

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Verification of national icon status

A series of articles List of cultural icons of Fooland, including this, was suggested for deletion in July 2014. Nobody argued that unverified entries should be retained, nor did anyone challenge the assertion that items should only be included if they are verified. I have applied those principles, those who think that verification is possible having had nearly a year and a half to do so. In doing so, I have made an assumption of good faith where a reference has been given, without checking that actual verification that the person/place/thing is present. Kevin McE (talk) 10:29, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@Kevin McE: I agree that the most verification should be inserted where possible, but how you removed classic icons like spaghetti, pizza, Ferrari, etc., those are pretty much self proclaimed in the sense they are so common and well known, they don't necessarily need a source. Not every single line of an article is sourced. Sometimes it is simply not necessary. But I agree that many others do need them. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 15:23, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

If it is so obvious that they are icons, then they will easily be found on a list of such published in a reliable source. Of course one source could cover many items on such a list. Kevin McE (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@Kevin McE: And so which is why they should not be removed all together. Having a "needs more verification and sources - you can help" sign at the top of the article like it already does is good enough. Editors will add sources slowly one by one. This doesn't mean they should all be taken down. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 18:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Since January 2014, one item on the list that was previously unsourced has had a reference added. Considering the number of unreferenced claims, your trust in the willingness or ability of editors to "add sources slowly one by one" seems ill founded. Kevin McE (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@Kevin McE: Yes, it's true that sadly the process takes much too long. But that is how it is... Many articles have these titles at the top of their respective article, but little is ever done... It doesn't mean we can just remove tons of the article like that though. If you feel strongly about the matter and you say the sources are easily found, maybe you could help to keep this article up to date and get it back to a good form? I'm not asking you to fill in references for everything, but instead of just reverting everything, maybe help to find sources faster than "one by one". Thanks for your cooperation and help. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 18:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Anyone who believes that they should be included can find the source. Until someone does, why should they not be deleted? They should be removed, then can be added "slowly one by one" when it is known that they belong. The alternative is to leave things that are wrongly included on the grounds of the remote possibility that they might be verified on some future date. That is not how to make a reliable encyclopaedia. Gaps are preferable to errors: unsupported opinion is not encyclopaedic. Kevin McE (talk) 19:04, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes it is true that we should add sources, but in this case I think is about " faith", I have saw all the list and I see that the list is correct.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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