Talk:List of drag queens

List of RuPaul's Drag Race contestants

There's a lot of redundancy with this list and List of RuPaul's Drag Race contestants. Should be address this somehow? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I do not think so. This is a browsing list for people interested in the subject, the other is for people interested specifically in the RuPaul's Drag Race. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Doubt it. One if much more in depth in it's coverage.★Trekker (talk) 01:23, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand why you undid my addition of Monsieur Marton

Re this addition to the list. Copied from my talk page. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:34, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand why you undid my addition of Monsieur Marton to the list of drag performers. I included a reference whose footnote led to a translation of a newspaper ad regarding Monsieur Marton's performance. It was primary source documentation that this entertainer existed, and did this type of show in Egypt in 1933. The translated ad in my link included 3 paragraphs of narrative about Monsieur Marton, along with several photos of his act. Shiradotnet (talk) 06:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Shiradotnet: Due to the size of the list, we only list people who have an article. I understand it is researched. You can try to create an article for this person, but I doubt it is notable enough to have an article. See Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Common selection criteria. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps also you could add to Drag queen#History of drag. Although you may need to find more material from WP:SECONDARY sources. We have a short article about Badia Masabni who open the club, perhaps you could add to that. Is it possible this drag artist is Ismail Yaseen? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Richard-of-Earth:The drag artist I listed is not Ismail Yassin. When Ismail Yassin performed in drag, he used his own name. It's not appropriate to edit Badia Masabni's entry to add any drag performers to it, because drag artists were a very minor aspect of her overall contribution to Egyptian performing arts. I'm extremely frustrated, because I did not see anything in your original Wikipedia listing specifying the existence of an article as a criterion for including an artist. If I had seen that, I wouldn't have wasted my time trying to enhance the drag community's knowledge of its history. I'm very new to contributing stuff to Wikipedia, and I expected that your list page would have given me information about inclusion criteria. This has been an extremely frustrating experience for me, and quite honestly, it has killed my appetite to add anything further to Wikipedia, on any topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiradotnet (talk • contribs) 15:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

@Shiradotnet: I am sorry you are upset. I will see about getting this criteria mentioned on the talk page and perhaps a warning to appear when people edit the page. I think I will copy this conversation over to the talk page so others can give their thoughts. Perhaps we should add an exception to the criteria regarding historically significant instances for this list, but we would require a publish academic statement that it was significant or consensus from other Wikipedia editors that it should be on the list. It works against you that the citation you used links to a web site you have named your account after, Shira.net. It looks like you are trying to promote the site. If you are connected to creating the site, WP:OR could apply. I am not trying to judge this because I do not care about it. The citation is to the newspaper advertisement, not the website. Others are very paranoid about WP:COI accounts. To my mind the activity of location citations and summarizing them on Wikipedia is a degree of original research. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

@Richard-of-Earth: I am very confused. I attributed Al Ahram as the source of the information. Unfortunately, the Al Ahram archives which were used by Priscilla Adum for the translation back around 2009 or so are no longer online. Although it's true I linked to my site, it was only because the ad in question is reproduced there, so I was offering an option for people to view a copy of the primary source. It was either that or link to Priscilla's Facebook page where she originally posted her translation, which is the only other place that I know of where the ad can still be seen online. Are you saying I should have omitted the link to my web site and simply listed the Al Ahram information without any link? My logic was that people might want to view the ad for themselves. Or would it have been better to link to Priscilla's Facebook post as where the Al Ahram ad could be viewed? Really, all I was trying to do was make available information about a drag performer that crossed my path. As I said before, I'm very new to contributing stuff to Wikipedia, and I'm extremely confused by all this negativity.

See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This negativity is the enforcement of this policy. Without some criteria to limit what goes on this list, every drag queen that exists and has existed will get added to the list and the list will be indiscriminate. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:06, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Possible alternative terms to drag queen

While reviewing BeBe Zahara Benet's article, I noticed she likes to be called a "drag artist" or "drag performer" as opposed to a "drag queen". I had not thought anyone objected to "drag queen"; should we consider an alternate term? Drag queen#Alternative terms] mentions "female impersonator" and also mentions that some who dress in drag are not considered "drag queens". Is "drag queen" becoming dated or simply not inclusive enough or perhaps even not neutral enough for a quality article? I am not currently ready to change the article title, but am interested in opinions on the various terminology. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Why not don't combine all drag artists/personas into one big list? The list might long, but it could work. 149.19.54.190 (talk) 03:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Sources decide, as usual. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)