Talk:List of highest scouting awards by country

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This http://caballeroscout.siemprelisto.net/ is a great site for more info. Chris 04:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

U.S. Venturing "Highest" Award

It is a common misperception that the Silver award is the highest award in Venturing. There is not a single highest award in Venturing. Currently, there are five "top-level" awards in the Venturing recognition program - Silver, Ranger, TRUST, Quest, and Quartermaster, depending on a Venturers interest and choice of program. --NThurston 14:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

To clarify - the Venturing program is specifically designed to not be strictly heirarchical. Individuals are encouraged to seek growth opportunities in any area of their choosing. For those who choose outdoors, the Ranger Award is the "top-level" award. Similarly, for those choosing religious life, sports, and sea scouting, the TRUST, Quest, and Quartermaster awards are the top-level awards. Currently, there is no "top-level" award designed specifically for those choosing Arts & Hobbies, but I wouldn't be surprised if that changes in the future. The Silver Award is another way that a Venturer can be recognized, but there is no superiority for completing the Silver over any of the other four "top-level" awards. --NThurston 15:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The Venturing Silver is the highest award in Venturing. Check page 6 of the Venturing Leader Manual. The Quartermaster Award is the highest Award in Sea Scouting. Check page 84 of the Sea Scout Manual to verify this if you need to.Stnfll (talk) 04:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

images

I have to work early tomorrow, but if someone else will make room on the chart, I will upload highest rank images for Argentina, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, Brunei, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Czech Rep, Denmark, Domincan Rep, Egypt, El Salvador, Estonia, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, India, Japan, Kenya, Kiribati, Korea, Liechtenstein, Malaysia, Maldives, Malta, Mexico, Pakistan, Panama, Russia, Singapore, Slovakia, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Taiwan, Tanzania, Ukraine, Zambia and Zimbabwe. Chris 08:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure, if the badges you did upload are really the highest ranks of the respective association. Unfortunately you don't give any source for the badge and also any source for the rank. Image:-Austriahighestrank.jpg for example shows the Georgsabzeichen of the Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs: Until 2005 this was the highest rank in the Caravelles/Explorers section but the program was revised. The badge is still available, but AFAIK actually not connected to any special requirements. --jergen 20:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What sort of source are you speaking of? They are from my collection, and I labeled them thus. Chris 00:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I know that these badges are part of your collection. Perhaps my question was badly formulated: The images need a good description mentioning at least the title of the rank and the association to make the use of the images easier. I'm sure you have these data. Could you please insert it on the images' pages? WP:UPIMAGE#Mini HowTo proposes Template:Information for this purpose. --jergen 08:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Boy Scout Cross for Valor

Has anyone heard or the Boy Scout Siver Cross for Gallantry? I can't find any information on it. My grandfather won one and I have the medal and citation but cannot find any further information. (South Africa in 1929 for rescuing a person from drowning at sea) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.124.247.200 (talk) 02:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

I have not, I am duplicating this to the South African Scout Association talk page to see if they can help. Chris 02:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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The image is used to illustrate Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of the Philippines), where no free image can be made, this is a direct image illustrating the badge itself, the topic of the article, being used for educational purposes, and does not reduce the ability of the copyright holder to sell the work.

further editorial The tagging of this image with {{Scoutlogo}} is accepted and standard practice of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting and should not have to be rejustified on each image. The images are being used to illustrate the proper topics. Chris 21:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

UK Rovers

I am pretty certain that the highest Rover Scout Award in the UK before Rovers were discontinued in the 1960s was the Baden Powell Award, not the Rambler's Badge. I have also edited the "Rambler (award)" section of Rambler. This needs a reference, but I was in Rovers and a Rover Leader when they existed. --Bduke 22:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have just noticed that Rover Scout#Original Programme and Badges has it right. The Rambler's Badge was early on. The B-P Award was the highest award before the section was discontinued. --Bduke 22:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

White Stag Leadership Academy Inc.

What is this? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

A US thing - see this site and google for other hits. Should it be included? --Bduke 23:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I say it should not be included as

• it doesn't fit with the other orgs
• it has no article
• it is not a Scouting membership organization, sounds like a course or school

Chris 00:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

looking at the website, it would be at best equivalent to a camp award. Removing it. Chris 00:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The web page says it is a "Venture Post" (two out of two wrong words) sponsored by White Stag Leadership Academy Inc. At best, it is a local unit and does not belong here. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 00:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Now, there may actually be some notable to be written about this, somewhere else-see two on the disambig page for White Stag, as well as Béla H. Bánáthy. Chris 00:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Scope

Right now all the awards are for youth except for the Bronze Wolf and a couple of awards in See also. I think we should limit this article to youth awards. So- can the Bronze Wolf be awarded to youth? --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 21:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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Split by country

 Done --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 17:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Propose that the tables be split by country rather than by alphabet in a manner similar to Age groups in Scouting and Guiding. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Good idea. --Bduke (talk) 22:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Agree. We could probably also arrange the awards horizontally by section within each organisation, too -- Horus Kol Talk 10:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the images violate the policy outlined in Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria and interpreted in Wikipedia:Non-free content. We just went through this in Age groups in Scouting and Guiding and it applies here as well. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 11:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is a sample using {{scoutaward}}:

Beaten!!!

Okay, I can't work it out. I wanted to add the details of the BPSA awards in the UK section, but ended up having the table collapse. Could someone add the basic sections for me? Cheers. Beavers = Dam Builder, Wolf Cubs = Leaping Wolf, Scouts = Scout Cord, Senior Scouts = St.Georges Award, Rovers = Baden-Powell Award. Thanks. DiverScout (talk) 19:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

 Working I will add this when I revise the article per the above discussion. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 21:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, Ed. Much appreciated. DiverScout (talk) 10:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

 Done. The new organization and template should make updates simple. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 15:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Problem images

As I update this and remove the images, I am checking the image use. These images are used only in this article; if i remove them, they will be orphaned and deleted:

• Image:KentekenWolf.gif
• Image:Brazil Cruzeirodosul.jpg
• Image:Brazil Lisdeouro.jpg
• Image:Brazil Escoteirodapatria.jpg
• Image:Brazil Insigniadebp.jpg
• Image:RamplerBadge001.JPG
• Image:Hksarsa.jpg
• Image:Cne cav patria 3.jpg

--—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 08:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it. Why do some countries have a stray image here-and-there still? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

If I remove them, they will be orphaned non-free images and will be deleted. I'm trying to avoid that, but one is for an NSO without an article and one is historical. Understand that I did not do a shotgun removal: I evaluated each image, removed it if it was used in another article, moved several to other articles and updated the rationale for each. I think I did well to get it down to two problem images, but they do need to be removed. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 16:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I just wondered why it was balding but not yet bald. ;) Totally support your motives, the process was unclear, but fun to watch. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I though it was bâkôdo hea in Japan, but yes. I just can't figure out where to put these last two, but maybe we should let them go. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 16:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I laughed when I first heard that, the Japanese have a great sense of humor. :) How did you learn that? I would create an award box like you did for Brazil at The Scout Association of Hong Kong. It would fit nicely there, and the same image uploader also uploaded a Queen Scout badge that can go in there too. The wolf image comes from Egel, perhaps suggestions would be forthcoming? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I have worked with a number of Japanese engineers over the years; I've learned stuff like business card etiquette, what sort of American restaurants they prefer and so forth. Anyway, Hong Kong is done. I will ping Egel on the other one. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 17:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I have written an article about the NSO and moved the image to there. FOS Open Scouting--Egel _Reaction? 21:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 23:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Top Awards or all awards?

I thought that this article for for the top award in each section, but note that The Scout Assocaition have three awards listed as being the top award in the Scout Network section. Is this correct, and if so which awards count as "top awards" rather than "regular" awards? DiverScout (talk) 17:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not about the TSA on this one. It did make me realize that the BSA Venturing section was wrong, as there is no single highest award. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 18:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

List of highest awards in Scouting...

Should (could) this be moved to something like List of highest awards in Scouting for youth members - after all there are also things like Silver Wolves etc for the Leadership side of things (in the UK, I assume similar exist elsewhere), which are just as much "highest"? 78.146.114.177 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC).

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