Talk:List of scandals in India/Archive 1

Archive 1

Verification

No items may be on this list without verification. Many of the "scandals" I removed were directly or indirectly about living people, and thus implies negative things about people, but they had no reliable sources verifying this is a scandal. WP:V states that all information on Wikipedia must be sourced; while it is possible for information to wait in articles to be sourced, anything highly contentious like this needs a clear, definitive source. I'm worried that some of the things that were on the list unsourced weren't actually called "scandals"; this is a highly POV word, so we need good, clear sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Merger discussion

• Against merger: The article List of Indian political scandals contains only political scandals, but this article is for any kind of scandals. All scandals are not political in nature. So a separate article is strongly needed for year wise listing of scandals. Thanks. (Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 17:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)).

In that case, the other article should also get non-political scandals. We should not duplicate nearly identical info across multiple pages. That's why this is called a "Merge", not just a "redirect"--any info not covered in the target article (that is verified, fits the title, etc), should be moved over. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• Support: No need to duplicate info. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose: Sorry, I misread the title of that other article. What actually should be done is that that article should be merged into here. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'm copying this over to Talk:List of Indian political scandals, since the discussion should be held in one place (on the target of the proposed merger). Qwyrxian (talk) 23:54, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• This article should be merged with Corruption in India. Both topics say same thing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan wiki (talk • contribs) 12:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Such a merger is not under discussion right now, though you can propose it per the instructions at WP:Merge. I would personally be opposed to such a merge, though. That article documents the concept of corruption in India, along with general trends, broad statistics, etc. This article is merely a list of specific scandals. This list is too long to be comfortably put into that article, so we'd end up losing most of it if we merged it. While I'm not a huge fan of list articles, this is a case where there's pretty much no other way to go. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

= Removal of JMM == =main contect and origin for the same one of the best suggestion is = best regards for the same

I just removed JMM Bribery Scandal. While it's okay for us to have things on this list where final guilt has not been determined, we should not list alleged scandals when the person was definitely found innocent in a court of law. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

"Merge" finished

After going through the entire list at List of Indian political scandals, everything relevant except for the [[Satyam scandal] (which I added here) was already here. There were a number of other articles linked on that other list, but many of them actually should not have been listed (in my opinion). First, anything that was not referenced or without its own page was ignored, per WP:V. Second, a large number of links on that other list don't really qualify as scandals. Any so-called scandal, in which the person was found not guilty in a court of law, is, by definition, no longer a scandal, and keeping it in an article like this unnecessarily smears a person (in some cases, a living person who falls under the protections of WP:BLP), so I didn't move it over. Several other entries weren't actually scandals. Below are the linked items that I did not copy over with explanations:

• Ketan Parekh: actually a BLP; not clearly a scandal.
• Nitash Katara: This is a murder case; I don't see what is scandalous about it (any more so than any other murder case).
• Murder of Jessica Lall: Again, I don't see this as more scandalous than any other murder
• Bangalore - Mysore Infrastructure Corridor: The controversy is only a small part of the story (in that article, it was moved to a part of history since the "fraud" is current just the allegations of one person). Could be linked in the future if it becomes a full-fledged, investigated scandal.
• Sukh Ram: don't see that it rises to the level of "scandal"; too little info in target stub.
• The Emergency (India):Controversial time, but not a scandal.
• Churhat lottery scam: Subject found not guilty in court.

One that I didn't copy over is questionable--Oil-for-food programme. The reason I didn't copy it over is that the actual scandal is an international one. However, one of the principals was an Indian leader who was forced to resign as a result. So, I'm not sure it really belongs here; however, if others think it belongs, it's fine by me.

I agree with those decisions, a lot of which boil down to hyperbolic use of the "scandal" word. Am going to redirect the page. Already redirected. - Sitush (talk) 09:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Name

Since the article List of scandals in India by state now redirects here, based on earlier discussion, does anyone think that the name of this article should change to the simpler "List of scandals in India" (which currently is also a redirect pointing here)? When there were two articles with different organizational schemes, the current name made sense, but now that there's just the one, I don't see the need for the extra words. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support Name "List of scandals in India" makes sense. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
• Support. I came here to move it to List of scandals in India, only to find it already moved. Speciate (talk) 22:27, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Huh, I totally forgot about this. I'll perform the move. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

repeated ones

SNC Lavalin scandal is quoted twice in article. under heading 1995 and 1997 Mirshadk (talk) 08:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

can i remove that.. no body is responding Mirshadk (talk) 17:13, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

removed the same Mirshadk (talk) 18:24, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Truth

Caste wise list of scandals if you're interested https://www.quora.com/What-steps-must-Indians-take-to-make-India-corruption-free/answer/Adar-Carde You should remove my modifications only if they're NOT true 4thaugust1932 (talk) 04:38, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, that's not how Wikipedia works--we remove modifications if they are not verified. In other words, you would need to show direct evidence (in a reliable source) that each scandal that you marked involved the specific caste/group you stated and only that caste. Unless you have such references, the information cannot be added. Even if you do, I'm not really sure that this information is important enough to be added in this list article. Why does it matter that a particular scandal was done by a forward caste member as compared to an OBC member? And what would you say should be written when the scandals involved people from multiple classes? Remember, this is just the article listing the scandals. No information is included here other than the year and the name of the scandal. Why is the caste membership somehow more important than the people who did the scandal, what state it happened in, what branch of government, etc.? So, in order to add the info, you need to verify it with sources and argue why this information is so important that it needs to be here. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Request Removal of Kerala Ice Cream Parlour Sex Scandal

This is regarding the 2006 Kerala Ice Cream Parlour sex scandal, mentioned under this article. Since this page is about financial scams of national importance, the page mentioned does not deserve to be here. It might set a precedent in which page stubs related to public outrage over morality will make it to this list. Hence, a removal is requested after discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.237.72.230 (talk) 19:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

This article is about all scandals in India, not just "financial scams of national importance". Yes, we should draw the line at small events, but this seems to be larger than that. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

In that case, I will try and find more scandals that should be in this list, if I can locate the appropriate sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.237.72.230 (talk) 01:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)