Talk:List of schools in Mumbai

Area wise segregation ?

Would it be feasible and is it required or would it be better if this list was arranged according to alphabetical districts or areas ?

Leave a reply on my talk and here.

Anonymousbananas (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

It is feasible but only if we know the area of every school listed. To be honest, I am not even sure that the current mass of redlinks should be shown at all. - Sitush (talk) 12:20, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Classfever

This article relies heavily on the classfever website, which is of dubious merit and in this situation may even amount to spamming. We really need to change to using an official government listing. - Sitush (talk) 12:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

New format suggestion

What do you think if we change the format of this article to something like this

School Name	Area	Official Website	-
St Gregorios High School	Chembur	http://www.stgregorios.net	-
Example	Example	Example	Example
Example	Example	Example	Example

Sitush (talk · contribs) any comments ? Anonymousbananas (talk) 03:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

No. Repeats location and includes a pointless external link. The other external link (the official website) would usually be the citation. We are an encyclopaedia, not a web directory. - Sitush (talk) 03:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I beg to differ about the location. Would really help in sorting the list. And please i request you to kindly use the ping notif system at least for a while to help speed this discussion up. Cheers. Sitush (talk · contribs) Anonymousbananas (talk) 03:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Please stop pinging me. It isn't necessary and it doesn't always work. Add this page to your watchlist instead. I didn't say that we could have the location column (see my comment to your earlier message in a different thread above). What I said was we are showing it twice in your example table .

Something else that you perhaps need to consider is that tables are difficult to maintain, especially when a lot of new contributors are likely to edit the article. They are easily broken. - Sitush (talk) 03:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Sitush (talk · contribs) also, other wiki articles list the schools' official websites as a separate link to allow for linking to the schools wiki article (in-text) as well as to the schools official website. Anonymousbananas (talk) 03:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I couldn't care less, sorry. They should not be doing that. If you give me an example, I will go clean it up. The link to the Wikipedia article should be in the first column of your table. - Sitush (talk) 03:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey, i'm not against you here, so help me reach a mutual decision here. Look at the new table content now. Would help if you come up with suggestions to a problem i am trying to address rather than negating what I am saying. And probably I wasnt clear enough when i said it, the first column will always have the Wiki link in-text but there will also be a link to the school official website in the third column. Titodutta (talk · contribs) help us out here.

You have completely change the table format in this edit, which confuses me and will confuse even more anyone else who now reads the above conversation. For clarity, the old example looked like this.

The new version is better. It still needs a link to the article in the first column and we will still need a citation to a reliable source (not classfever.com) at least in situations where the school has no article on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 04:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I am also still not keen on showing the official website as a column. - Sitush (talk) 04:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Tabular format always recommended with School Name, Location and Reference but without Official Website & External link for maintaing those links would be an additional effort. All articles to be striclty linked to Wikipedia articles only. - Ninney (talk) 12:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Why has the division between Secondary and Primary Schools been removed ?

Sitush (talk · contribs) You recently reverted an edit wherein the article was divided into two sections - Secondary and Primary. Please explain why so. Primary Schools are significant as well and other Wikipedia Articles list them as well. In fact some countries have their own article page for Primary Schools, all i did was section a page into two categories. I could have reverted your revert, but I felt discussing it would be better. Anonymousbananas (talk) 03:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

We do not record schools at nursery and primary level. That has the consensus of the entire Wikipedia project for years. - Sitush (talk) 03:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Sitush (talk · contribs) Can you provide me a source which says Wikipedia is not Supposed to document Priamry Schools ?

1. Other (pretty comprehensive) articles pertaining to this exist
2. The WikiProject Education in India includes Early childhood education AND Primary Schools in its scope. So it really is a decision of the WikiProject India at the end of the day. Anonymousbananas (talk) 03:45, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

It is not a matter for the India Schools project. The main Wikipedia project (ie: the entire community) has precedence - see WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. For the general issue re: primary schools etc, try WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. - Sitush (talk) 03:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

What youre misunderstanding is that im just Listing them and not creating articles for them. And I repeat, there are articles specifically written about Primary Schools in other countries, all I am doing is adding a section in the current page. This is really petty to be debated upon for so long. Anonymousbananas (talk) 04:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed petty, so why don't you stop? Per the data available at this official website, there are over 2400 schools in suburban Mumbai alone. We have to get a grip. - Sitush (talk) 05:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Please note the discussion here. If anything, this list is likely to end up being trimmed, not expanded. - Sitush (talk) 05:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

No bifurcation of Primary and Secondary, all schools in Chembur have both Primary School & Secondary in one complex. Are you going to list them twice? It seems to me of little importance splitting them. - Ninney (talk) 12:19, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

seems like a valid point. I think it would make better sense to just include them in the same list itself after considering notability. Anonymousbananas (talk) 12:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution

Hi anonymousbananas (talk · contribs) and Sitush (talk · contribs)

I think we need to reach a resolution. I would say that this final form as listed below looks perfect, (which is what anonymousbananas finally suggested after his tussle with Sitush)

School Name	Area	Website
Ajmera Global School	Wadala	http://www.ajmeraglobalschool.com

The article will be divided into two section - Secondary and Primary Schools. If the list in the latter is substantial, we could discuss moving it to its own Namespace.

1. Sitush, Theres no softer way to say this, but please stop treating every article like your Dictatorial regime. Anonymousbananas has been nothing but patient and constructively working towards a solution while you have been simply saying No. if you have an issue with something, you are more than welcome to say no, but also offer a solution along with it. Other than that I applaud your commitment to Wikipedia. Cheers.

1. Anonymousbananas, you could afford being a little clearer with your explanantions, otherwise youre doing just fine.

Proud member of the WikiProject India Peace out. Upasana98 (talk) 04:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

We do not do primary schools. What are we going to do for the vast majority of schools that do not have websites or only use Facebook (which generally we deprecate because many people - me, included - refuse to sign up to it). - Sitush (talk) 05:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

# Please elaborate on why youre against doing Primary schools? As mentioned above, lots of pages exits for the same. And since it is essentially just a LIST, whats the harm? This is something so trivial.

1. And as for schools which dont have websites, we'll let the field be blank and insert government sources or any other verified source as soon as we can find one. Upasana98 (talk) 05:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems like a logical thing to do. And i share Upasana's concern over as to why you're against primary schools when many such articles exits. Google "list of primary schools Wiki" Anonymousbananas (talk) 05:44, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Are you two tag-teaming or what? I've already explained why we do not do primary schools, and that other stuff exists is irrelevant. Two wrongs do not make a right. - Sitush (talk) 05:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Unlike the West, it is not a case of tens, or even hundreds of schools, but tens of thousands. And your list does not even have an iota of useful information about schools in general. In Mumbai, I can bet you there are over 500 municipal schools, and you never mentioned a single one, why. So what is the basis of your article? Just cherry-picking and adding any old school you hear about? I vote for only adding notable, full-fledged schools, each of which has a Wikipedia article about it - whether primary, secondary or pre-primary. This whole business of school lists really sucks. It conflicts with the principle - Wikipedia is not a directory. If you disagree, move for a RFC on the WikiProject page, probably this has been discussed before. AshLin (talk) 05:59, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay here's how its gonna be.

1. You're gonna stop bossing us around. The reason why we havent been able to add schools and complete this list is because we have a disagreement over other things and since you have a habit of reverting changes, it doesnt make sense to keep doing everything again. Once we have an agreement, we'll get to it. Also since you are having trouble grasping it, let me spell it out for you, majority of the government schools ARE Primary Schools ( Which is what I have been harping about, hence the importance of being a local). Plus who said that the list is complete?

1. You never gave us a reason to not do Primary Schools. All you said "We do not do Primary Schools" Whats missing = The reason.
2. As for only adding schools which have a Wiki article, thats not very inclusive now is it? Plus Do you really want us to create those tens of thousands of articles first ? It is JUST A GODDAMN LIST.
3. Moreover, I am just following what is being followed in other school lists around the globe, (Which people dont seem to have a problem with) Did you google "List of Primary Schools" ? if you didnt, then do so and then well talk. If you did, then why dont you tell them that those lists are incomplete. leave the geo-specific work to the locals will you ?

Ive never had such a botheration from the likes of for an issue as small as this. And the only reason im still having this discussion is because you're being irrational and would simply revert whatever edits i make.

Point in case, Give me an actual REASON for why not Primary Schools. Point in case, Understand that I am just following Wikipedia trends. Point in case, Understand that nobdy eve said this is a complete article. Point in case, stop acting like the Autocratic Saviour of School lists on Wikipedia, nobody crowned you king.Anonymousbananas (talk) 07:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I have given you a reason for no primary schools (unless they are notable in their own right, in which case they need an article). I've already explained why it doesn't matter if other articles are wrong. For the remainder, please consider WP:NLIST. - Sitush (talk) 07:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I hate to admit it but Sitush (talk · contribs), you are ebing a little bit of a pain. Youre right about the external links other than official website but Primary Schools are going in the article. And I googled what he said to google, he's got a valid point. All Schools are listed, irrelevant of the fact if they have a wiki article or not. Majority of articles also have website links ( we could let this be for a while ). And lots of articles are NAMED "List of PRIMARY SCHOOLs in XYZ". All AnonymousBananas is talking about is a section in an existing article. Any further pursuance of this trivial issue by you will have to be taken by one of our adminstrators, because yes, you are being irrational. Upasana98 (talk) 07:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush:, @Anonymousbananas: You both are trying your best in improving the article but seems to be rather getting more uncivilised by each & every comments & reply.

First, stop pinging each other,

Second, stop creating unnecessary additional topics (it highly shows immatured way of discussing), their is & should always be one topic discussion,

Third, No personal attack on any editor even if he is Rude &

Last but not least, dont just reply to each and every comments & replies ... wait for other editors to comment on it, atleast for a day.

Sitush, speaks based on his VALUABLE EXPERIENCE and is guiding us and Anonymousbananas, your will power & ready to take efforts are much appreciated but would appreciate more if you will be PATIENT and stop creating additional topics / headings & reply to each and every edit. Just a small suggestion, Try to reply once in three days & wait to see what other editors are commenting & then reply. - Ninney (talk) 12:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Dispute resolved

Sitush (talk · contribs) and Upasana98 (talk · contribs) Guys, weve been fighting over a trivial thing.

lets summarize. We've agreed on everything but the primary schools. Well make a section and include only the notable ones. how about that ? However that would require Sitush to bear with us for a while.

But Sitush to be fair, you gotta admit man, you reverted the sectioning at the outset simply by looking at the word "Primary School" There will be a list for sure, we can talk about notability of the individual entries. Fair enough ?

Im assuming following as the criteria for notability

1. Either a wiki article
2. Or a notable Press reference
3. or any notable Citation etc.

Fair enough ?

Sitush, this would have been easier to resolve if instead of saying NO everytime, you could come up with a solution. Seriously man, people dont appreciate that. We're all working towards a common goal here.... Anonymousbananas (talk) 07:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Suggested Improvements

Firstly we need to understand that this is Wikipedia and we NEED to construct high quality articles. I suggest we consider separate aspects & start working on them. Obviously Anonymousbananas, being a Mumbaite, is "bananas" over his city and wants to make a great article. You guys also expressed the desire to work together. Assuming that you are sincere, I request that you look up a fairly good article on "Lists of schools of ...", I suggest we begin with List of schools in the Auckland Region. Please see this article & compare to yours.. AshLin (talk) 13:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

• Lede : We need a good lede, rich with facts regarding Mumbai schools & not padding.
• Sections : Schools need to be segregated, Maharashtra board, CBSE, ICSE etc.
• References need improvement. Notability must be established.

... more to follow later.

AshLin (talk) 13:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Agreed! Also we need to nail down the inclusion criterion. Per WP:CSC we essentially have two choices:

1. Include only those schools that have wikipedia article of their own (where the cited sources presumably establish notability; if they don't those articles can be deleted)
2. List all the schools in Mumbai. Such a list can be constructed from this official database by selecting "2013-14", "Maharashtra" and "Mumbai II"/ "Mumbai suburban" in the top three fields. That will be a list of roughly 4,000 schools, and a substantial fraction of that even if we weed out non-secondary schools.

I prefer the first option (as AshLin too suggested somewhere above), but either would be preferable to the current solution based largely on classfever.com, a spammy website of uncertain reliability. Abecedare (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Redlinks/Redirects/Misdirects

The following items have been removed because they were either a redlink, a bluelink which redirected back to this list, or a bluelink for an article about a school with the same name but not in Mumbai.

• Anjuman Islam High School
• Antonio D'Souza High School
• Balmohan Vidyamandir
• Bhaktivedanta Swami Mission School
• Dr. D.Y.Patil International School
• Fellowship High School
• Gokhale High School, Borivali, Mumbai
• Khairul Islam High School
• Mount Litera Zee School
• New Horizon Public School, Airoli
• NSC High School, Asalpha, Ghatkopar
• Rassaz International School, Mira Road
• School Of The Sacred Heart, Byculla
• St. Dominic Savio High School
• St. Gregorious High School, Mumbai
• St. Xavier's High School, Andheri
• Versova Welfare Association High School

So if anyone is looking for articles to create, there are some ideas. On the other hand, I looked at every article on the list while checking the links. Most of the articles are in very poor condition and some even consist of only a single sentence with no reference, so are quite possibly eligible for deletion. The other ones with substantial text almost always make unreferenced claims such as "one of the top schools in India". So perhaps the current articles should be fixed before thinking about creating more. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 03:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)