Talk:List of the first women holders of political offices

Title

The idea of this article is easy to understand, but I can't quite find the right way to phrase the title. Any help appreciated SP-KP 17:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Some discussion points

This article is coming along well. Any views on the following?

• The article title

• Inclusion criteria

• Formatting

• Referencing

• Order of entries

• How we deal with "nonspecific" entries - I've deleted the Afghan & Scottish entries for now, but maybe we should include them?

• Whether we mention states and/or offices which have not had a female officeholder

--AnselmoD79 07:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed this because it is a political party and not a political office. if there is enough interest for political party members then maybe we could do a new section, but right now it seems a bit out of place and dilutes the significance of the page you have made. President of the Christian Democrat Party of Chile|Christian Democrat Party]] - Soledad Alvear - May 2006

SP-KP 13:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Title-Difficult to think of a better one. Inclusion criteria, formatting, order-seems fine to me. Referencing-Would be difficult to find external refs, so we are stuck with internal refs. Criteria of mentioning it on the linked page sounds reasonable, but then how do we include people that have no page. Alternatively, if the person is in a list of Ministers, say, and is evidently the first female, that should be ok, even if not mentioned in in the page.

We should allow 'until-contradicted' info, eg I know that Winne Mandela was a minister in the first Mandela Govt, but I do not know, and have no way of finding out, if she was the first female, so I would suggest that she should be added, and if someone else knows better, then they can correct it. As it stands the article sayst that SA has had no female Minister, and that is less correct than saying that Winne Mandela might have been the first.

'Non-specific entries-I only added those as a link to trigger others to look up because I know that Scotland and Afghanistan had female ministers, but don't know who they were, and didn't have time to lookup. Perhpas 'Reqeusts for Info' should be added here on the talk page - see Talk:Families in the Oireachtas for a similiar situation.

Sub-level states eg Wales, Scotland, NI, Uttar Pradesh, all 50 USA states, should probably be left out anyhow, and just stick to 'States' as define in List of state leaders.

If you are leaving out South Africa/Afghanistan, they should be added to the list of 'Other states' --Rye1967 23:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Other countries

(This does not belong in the article but is a useful resource for developing it) These countries do not have a female holder of political office listed above. Most of these countries have had women represented in at least one level of government.

Americas

• Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Honduras, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Trinidad and Tobago, Uruguay

Europe

• Belarus, Moldova, Monaco, Russia, Slovenia, Vatican City

Asia

• Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bhutan, Brunei, Cambodia, Jordan, North Korea, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Oman, Palestinian Authority, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, Yemen

Oceania

• Fiji, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu, Vanuatu

Africa

• Algeria, Angola, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Chad, Republic of the Congo, Côte d'Ivoire, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Libya, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Namibia, Somalia, Sudan, Togo, Tunisia, Zambia, Zimbabwe

MOved from article Rich Farmbrough, 10:01 15 July 2008 (GMT).

Functional error

So all the millions of princesses, empresses, rulers, concubines (sometimes more powerful than the king), trade empire owners, that have existed for (recorded) about 6,000 years all over the world just don't count?

How about the generals who after dying were discovered to be females in "drag".

How about "the veiled sultan", high priestesses (sometimes of sects that absolutely forbid male participation), and assorted other offices all over the world that could ONLY be held by a female?

We sure this article is a keeper? I would put it up for AFD based on simple common sense.Aaaronsmith (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

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