Talk:List of wars involving Serbia

Guy editing biased anti Serb opinions

User has been creating anti Serb police's on aftermath but calls the Serb writings biased but his own un biased. where he "every German there should be 100 Serbs dead" which I do not see why it should be in aftermath. Theonedudefromcity (talk) 21:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

That information is well sourced and can be found in books and other articles, i.e. Bailey, Ronald H. (1998). Partisans and guerrillas. That was a German policy during WW2 against resistance in Serbia. There are even written articles on wikipedia like Kragujevac massacre explaining those policies. Theonewithreason (talk) 21:39, 05 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes but results should not have listed the massacre as that is a different page. Theonedudefromcity (talk) 21:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Was there ever consensus behind these new contentious additions made from a seldom used account? “Expulsion” instead of the long standing “exodus” term? Reverting a user edit because they are a “new account “ from March doesn’t seem like an adequate or fair reason. Yet no question of the seldom used account that made the edit in the first place… Also it appears that only Serb refugees are mentioned from these wars. Surely there were other ethic groups that had faced displacement? @Peacemaker67: perhaps you could help chime in since you have dealt with this topic are before? OyMosby (talk) 18:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Was there ever consensus to remove this addition? Also it is very incorrect from your side to add that Yugoslav army was burning villages in war with Albania but to remove edition where Serbs were massacred, Also if you check the section above that one you will see that someone posted log revolution section where it is written that Croats were ethnically cleansed. So that answers your concern. I would advise you to make a whole NPOV edit, not just partially. Theonewithreason (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Seriously? That is not very reason-able. (Ok bad pun). The onus is on the person adding the new content that is contested to garner consensus. I reverted the version back to the long standing version. I did not introduce the burning Albanian villages or specifically only remove the new added 100 Serbs for 1 German paragraph. I reverted that edit as in that edit it was changed from exodus to expulsion. My talk of NPOV was specifically on the exodus/expulsion part. I didn’t even look at the rest of that diff that was going back and forth until now. And you repeatedly kept putting back expulsion. You removed the Albanian villages burned part and reinstated the 100 Serb part to begin with. So please practice what you preach. By your own admission you once again engaged in non - npov editing as yet again you removed the Albanian part and replaced with the a paragraph on German policy of Killing 100 Serbs for every dead German. Which was not the result of the end of the war bg the way but during. But whole other subject. Also you warned the other user and reverted them because they are “new account” from march yet had no issues reinstating a usere’s edit, a user with a pattern of past vandalism as seen by their talk page. This is the user and edit that recently made the contested changes in case you didn’t notice. Doese that look like wholesome NPOV? Not a good look. I suggest you follow your own advice and make a whole NPOV edit not partial. I mean really that is blatantly hypothetical otherwise. And please stop further edit warring. You warned the other user but it easily applies to both of you. Also there is no “side” so please refrain from such language I look forward to your partial self revert. Cheers. OyMosby (talk) 20:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Please keep WP:civil it also applies on you. If you wish to remove expulsion, we are going to remove ethnic cleansing, if you wish to remove kragujevac massacre we will remove remove burning of Albanian villages, It is that simple. Other you edit whole NPOV or you leave it as it is. Onus is on you.Theonewithreason (talk) 20:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

How am I not being civil? You claimed I am on a “side” and insisted I am not being NPOV yet you undid the edit admitting it too is not NPOV. So you are Knowingly doing this. Where as I was not looking at any other parts of the edit warred diff version other than the exodus/expulsion part. Also who is “we”? Turning this into a battleground holding the article hostage admitting to engaging in tit-for-tat edits absolutely not WP:Civil and just bullying behavior. For the long standing article it said “exodus”. You removed burning of Albanian villages and kept Kragujevac massacre, 100 vs 1 Serbs vs Germans and a host of other parts and reinstated “expulsion” despite it bot being npov to claim that all refugees that fled during Operation Storm were expelled or under expulsion. You can look at the article yourself. Onus is on you introducing new content that was contested. But I’m happy to contact admins if you feel the need to further attack me and think I am wrong. :) OyMosby (talk) 21:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

And you have removed Kragujevac massacre and added burning of Albanian villages, you also removed expulsion of Serb civilians to replace it with exodus but kept ethnic cleansing of Croats. So everything you are accusing me for you are doing the same. Not a good look. I am giving you a chance for NPOV editing, because you re the one started this. WP:Onus is on you. And please do not threat. Theonewithreason (talk) 21:10, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Where did I make any edit about ethnic cleansing of Croats? Again I reverted an edit dealing with the exodus of Serbs. Which is the mainstream take. Your personal views are not related to what the article and sources say. Neither are these bizzare false equivalencies you keep mentioning. You started this, you initiated threats in talking with me. And you are engaging in parrot mocking me and I am not amused I gave ample opportunities. Four times you made the same non-noov edits. Not me. Drop the shtick of “giving me a chance”. As you admitted, you edit was not entirely npov. So I am still waiting the 100% npov version you keep alluding to. And again, using the tactics as you are in this conversation is not impressive. Neither copying my sentences and reflecting them back at me. Not cute and not a good look. Again. I reverted to the long standing article version before the disruptive edit warring you commenced a week or so ago. So no I did not start this as evidence by the people who started this thread. I am trying to hold a productive discussion with you instead of back and forth reverts. I am trying to engage with you inn good faith.OyMosby (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I am not mocking you, you obviously do not see what I am writing. If you have problems with the expulsion of Serbs, then you should remove ethnic cleansing of Croats too, because those 2 events were the same. If you wish to remove Kragujevac massacre then you should remove burning of Albanian villages. We cannot have double standards. I do not see what is the problem here. Theonewithreason (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

It’s well sourced that one was deemed ethnic cleansing and the other predominantly a mass exodus. They were not the same thing. You removed the Albanian part and inserted a host of Serb-centric edits not just Kragujebac massacre. I have no strong feelings about the massacre. I have no strong desire to remove it. But right now you have it in and the Albanian village mention removed As I explained. Also why are Serbs native but Croats are not native? So I don’t understand what double standards I have when you edit is the latest one and remove one and not the other. Why is your revert good and mine the only not good one? I didn’t intentionally delete one and put the other. It happened to be in the same revert diff. I explained this multiple times. OyMosby (talk) 21:38, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Well ethnic cleansing was also of Serb civilians there is well recorded Tudjman speech about that. But okay I am not going deep into discussion about that. What do you propose? If you have nothing against keeping Kragujevac massacre, then you can add instead of expulsion, exodus. You can also add Ethnic cleansing of native Croats. Theonewithreason (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I thought you said you were fine with Ethnic cleansing of Croats and Exodus of Serbs as stated in your last reply? OyMosby (talk) 11:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes I was but this site is out of control, Kragujevac massacre was removed by someone, so obviously if we try to agree on something on talk page someone will ignore it and do it how they think. So I was thinking if we try to keep it balanced maybe ip′s are not going to delete it. Maybe it is better just to keep battle results ? What do you propose ? Theonewithreason (talk) 17:28, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Merging List of wars jingling Serbia mid-evil ages.

The pages List of wars involving Serbia and List of wars involving Serbia in the Middle Ages should be merged into one page like the pages for List of wars involving Croatia and List of wars involving Albania. Thanks in advance. Theonedudefromcity (talk) 23:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Croatian War of Independance - Wrong name and wrong facts - It was Croatian secession war and should be named accordingly

1. Croats were not fighting for independence. Croats where constituent part of the Yugoslavia. There were not colonized by Yugoslavia. This is so inaccurate and so incompetent. It would be as if Swiss German separation from Switzerland would be called "War if Independance". Egypt could have fought such a war against British Empire, but Croatia, that is nonsense. 2. This war was mainly rebellion of Serbian population in Croatia that reject forceful secession from country they wanted to stay in. Majority of soldiers who fought and died in that conflict where Serbs from Croatia. Likewise, even volunteers who came to help them from Serbia, in majority were ethnic Serbs who were from Croatia and who either moved to Serbia during they lifetime or their childhood. Many were going to help their parents, relatives. It can easily be verified. In last and major operation by Croatian Army where majority of Serb controlled territories were reclaimed neither FRY (Serbia), nor Republika Srpska participated. They were threatened by NATO, who armed, trained and initiated this last operation by bombing Serbs in SAO Kraina and Republika Srpska 3. Accordingly, and clearly, third belligerent in that war was NATO. This war was fully decided by NATO, not by parties on the field. Even in your Wikipedia pages there is clear description of situation before that last and major operation "Storm". Not to mention that they could not even hide it by naming it for its very much sounds like Desert Storm. In that description on Wikipedia pages, it can clearly be seen that Serbs were outnumbered 3:1 that they were significantly less armed (tanks, airplanes, artillery...) and that neither Serbia(FRY - Serbia & Montenegro) nor Republika Srpska could help. According to your own pages, let alone facts, it's so easy to conclude that this is language of propaganda instead of facts

Finally, Bosnian (Bosnyak) army was not ally of Croatia. Yes in operation Storm, but Croats were also fighting fiercely Bosnian (should be Bosniak) army in Bosnia. In operation Storm Bosnyak army was not taking part in claiming territories in Croatia for Croats but taking territories in Bosnia and Hercegovina for themselves based on pure opportunism.

Wikipedia should stand for integrity, yet it never does. Its repeater of propaganda narratives.

End result of that "Was for Independence" was genocidal ethnic cleansing of Serbs and Yugoslavs who reduced from more than 700.000 to 185.000 in those 4 years, while in last operation of Croatian Army supported by NATO, close to 250.000 of that TOTAL number was expelled from their home in just several days. 28 years later, and these people still have not returned to their homes. They got liberated from their homes from their farms and their lives seems to be according to Red Cross and UN stats available today. This is also very well documented as well as clear testimony of these people who are still alive are still available and still almost all of them in one voice claiming that Crotian government and state expelled them from their homes. But instead, others are telling them why they left? 28 years, Milosevic is out of power for 23 years, but they are still not back. Who can be guilty then country holding them from coming back with discriminatory policies started on 1991, again easily to verify if anyone cares for available testimonies of these people. Instead, we are reading WIKI propaganda articles.



2601:600:9A80:3530:BC8A:462:9204:3E (talk) 20:40, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

In this article, whenever Serbs were massacred or killed the word Exodus is used. But for everybody else is mass murder, even when it wasn't. SlobaOvNs (talk) 10:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)