Talk:Little Italy, Manhattan

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Little Italy in Spanish Harlem!?

Anyone know why this map from 1920 has Little Italy in what is now Spanish Harlem? -newkai t-c 21:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

There was, and still is, a significant Italian population in East Harlem. Parts of East Harlem were known as Italian Harlem. Al Pacino was born there. However, many of the Italians there moved to South Bronx or Brooklyn or the area now known as Little Italy. Callmarcus (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Where did you read that from? There's very few, if any Italian-Americans, currently residing in East Harlem. Actually, from what I gather, it was historically Jewish, before it became predominantly African-American in the earlier part of last century. Those who would have had to left would have had to done so a while ago. The Spanish Harlem/Washington Heights area is where it becamse populated by postwar Puerto Rican and Dominican immigrants. African-Americans had migrated to Harlem before WWII, so they would have had to left before than. Yet, during the 1930's and 1940's, it can clearly be shown that the Bronx and Brooklyn didn't have excessive growth to support that. At least the South Bronx is in somewhat close proximity. Brooklyn is not close to there at all. Tom71.245.112.131 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC).

• I read Bill Tonelli's article in New York Magazine. Back in the turn of the 20th Century there were lots of Italian Americans living there. WhisperToMe (talk) 10:06, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

No sourcing to following quotes

This assertion wouldn't make sense for two reasons. One, Italian immigrants came in large numbers to all the boroughs. The Italian immigrant populations were proportionally higher directly to Staten Island, Brooklyn and the other boroughs, than Manhattan. Currently, Manhattan's the only borough in New York City, and perhaps county in the entire area, that's less of Italian lineage than the average of the United States. Little Italy is not populated enough to have made an impact. But, if people were leaving places such as Brooklyn and the Bronx, for reasons of expense and decay, why would people from Little Italy move in? So, I'll be removing the following quote, as it's unsourced:

As Italian Americans left the expensive Manhattan borough for other neighborhoods in The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island, the neighborhood recognizable as Little Italy shrank.

Also, I'll be deleting the following quote, because it's incorrect and not sourced. The U.S. Census has claimed the Italian-American percentage of Staten Island is 38%. It's not 44.5%. Previously, the Wikipedia article described Staten Island as being 44.55% Italian, but it was corrected.

and the whole borough of Staten Island (with Rosebank being the first enclave), where 44.5% of the population is of Italian ancestry, the highest percentage of Italian-Americans in a county in the United States.

There seems to also be confusion between a Little Italy and a high Italian descended population. Little Italy's are generally small places, like neighborhoods, within cities, where there's markets and Italian restaurants. This is existent through the country. Part of Bensonhurst could qualify as that. Arthur Avenue in the Bronx can, as well as Mulberry Street in Manhattan (although there's few if any people with Italian immigrant roots to the area who live there now). Tom71.245.112.131 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC).

The Mafia?

Without sounding too touchy, I have to ask- is it necessary that a list of infamous mafia members be included in this article? I am not making an argument that the mafia doesn't exist, I am just stating that it seems to be inappropriate given the content of the page. The page speaks of the ethnic history of the area- not individual residents. Moreover, I am certain that there were other legitimately famous and notable residents that could be included on the page, rather than a simple focus on the mafia. Therefore, it must be asked- do we really need an exclusive list of infamous mafiosi that operated here? What message are we trying to send? --Accountable1 (talk) 05:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, without feedback- I think it should be changed or removed. I'll give it another week or so for comments. Without any, I will be removing it. --Accountable1 (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Lack of Sources

Overall, in this wikipedia article there is a lack of sources. Under the "History" section there is only one source being used to back up any and all information being provided. The only source being used is "Tonelli". Once again, in the "Historic and current demographics" section we see that Tonelli is repeatedly being referenced. Due to the information of this article relying heavily on the writings of Bill Tonelli in his publication in the New York Magazine, that is the only voice that is being expressed to the reader. Therefore, Tonelli's viewpoint is being way over represented in this article. As a result, bias within Tonelli's work is also being represented in this article.Ivanalopez0897 (talk) 21:17, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I Will Be Editing This Page

The wikipedia article I will be editing is Little Italy, Manhattan. The article lacks historical facts and information drawn from multiple sources. Therefore, I plan on contributing to its historical information section, specifically, the wave of Italian immigrants during the 1880's and how their settlement had contributed to the growth of industries and small businesses. Prime sources I will be looking at are:

Henderson, Matthew Adam. "Little Italy." Encyclopedia of Immigration and Migration in the American West. Ed. Gordon Morris Bakken and Alexandra Kindell. Vol. 1. Thousand Oaks, CA: SAGE Reference, 2006. 411-413. Gale Virtual Reference Library. Web. 20 Oct. 2016.

Jackson, Kenneth T., and Keller, Lisa, eds. The Encyclopedia of New York City (2). New Haven, US: Yale

University Press, 2010. ProQuest ebrary. Web. 20 October 2016.

Pretelli, Matteo. "Little Italy." Multicultural America: A Multimedia Encyclopedia. Ed. Carlos E. Cortés and

Jane E. Sloan. Vol. 3. Thousand Oaks, CA: SAGE Reference, 2014. 1362-1363. Gale Virtual Reference Library. Web. 20 Oct. 2016. Ivanalopez0897 (talk) 17:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)