Talk:Loki (Marvel Comics)

Handbook

The majority of this article is plaigerized right out of the Official Marvel Handbook (original) and needs to be rewritten. 66.92.50.167 23:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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Loki also appears in Neil Gaiman's Sandman series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_The_Sandman#Loki). Should these appearances be included here, or is this article Marvel-only?

This article is aobut the Marvel version of Loki, which is seperate from the Loki that appeared in Sandman. Gaiman's Loki is an appearance of his interpretation of the actual god, while the Marvel Loki has been changed by Marvel writers to suit the comic book. If anything, the Loki of Sandman should be mentioned in an 'appearances in popular media' section of Loki, but not in here. Primal Zed (talk) 17:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Images

At the moment I've left two of the images since they are close to supporting the sections they're in. And even that is a polite stretch of terms. Both should be replaced with something that actually supports the sections or removed as "decorative only". — J Greb 17:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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Loki appears in other comics and in general articles about deities in modern fiction should properly disambiguate themselves in the article title. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 08:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• Weak support of the move. Until there are articles on other characters of this name it doesn't seem to be much of a problem to me, and both disambiguations seem to follow established usages, but I agree the proposed move is to the better choice. Andrewa 03:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
• Fence If there is a need or desire to put up an article on "Loki in other comics" it makes sense ro move this one to (Marvel Comics). Otherwise... it seems unneeded. - J Greb 03:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think there are any other comic book characters named Loki, so (comics) is enough. TJ Spyke 03:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: There is a Loki in Vertigo comics (Sandman) and Loki is in SGVY. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. I have reduced the history of the redirect at Loki (Marvel Comics) to a single line, so that if disambiguation is ever needed, this article can be moved there. --Stemonitis 11:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Half-brother or adopted?

There are numerous sources, and it's even mentioned on this page, that refer to Thor and Loki as "half-brothers", others say he is adopted. Half-brothers have one parent in common. Is Loki adopted or a half-brother? He seems to switch with each story I read. Some saying Odin was his biological father, others saying his father was a frost giant. Mathewignash (talk) 13:01, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Loki as Half-brother of Thor is only in Marvel Comics, right? I don't see it in Bullfinch and the Wikipedia article on Loki in Norse myth doesn't say he was adopted by Odin. Should this article make clear that this is only a Marvel invention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.156.24 (talk) 23:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

The whole "Loki Odinsson" is indeed purely a Marvel thing. In the actual Norse myths he is Odin's blood brother. Marvel also managed to swap the gender of his parents around. Loki Laufeyjarson uses a matronym instead of the more common patronyms. In other words, Laufey is actually Loki's mother (and female, in case it needed stating). --46.9.13.64 (talk) 07:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Powers and Abilitites?

Another question is when is somebody going to edit "Powers and Abilities" to reflect changes made in the character post resurection, particulrly his changed relationship with his step-brother Thor. This is perinent due to the drastic changes made to the character. [User:retrograde62] 12:52, 08 August 2011 (PST)

Replace picture in infobox

The picture in the infobox now is the one of Loki from Loki Vol 1 #1 and it's from an alternate reality. I added the alternate reality as "Loki triumphant" to the "other versions" section because it wasn't there before with the other realities. So since the infobox picture is from that story line, would anyone be opposed to me moving that picture to the "Loki triumphant" section to illistrate what he looked like in that reality and choosing a picture from the mainstream Loki to replace in the infobox? If anyone has a good picture they'd like to nominate, I have a few pics in mind but if anyone is opposed to it, let me know and explain why you'd like to keep it up there. thanks! xx Xpinkxcasualtyx (talk) 16:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Article Title

The title of this article should be clarified from "Loki (Comics)" to "Loki (Marvel Comics)" as Dark Horse Comics also has a character named Loki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.6.113 (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Image

Someone can put this image: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/5d/Loki_Laufeyson_%28Earth-616%29_0003.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101120182453 --TeQuatro (talk) 20:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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Pronouns for Loki--someone clean it up

Listen, folks, appropriate pronoun use is important, even for fictional characters.

Will someone who actually knows such things please decide whether this article should use "they/them" or "he/him" pronouns, and make the pronouns consistent throughout the article?

There are sentences in this article which use BOTH kinds of pronouns in that very same sentence. It's distracting and unnecessary. Whichever option is correct, please make it consistent. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3003:2B07:FC00:139:6BBF:E205:59F8 (talk) 14:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

There are no sources of Loki ever being referred to as a They/Them, and in fact, in a majority of his canon appearances (and current appearances), he is still referred to as "he/him". Referring to him as 'They/Them' is simply not factual. Please respect Loki's preferred pronouns as "he/him" until he is explicitly confirmed and written otherwise. 80.42.161.100 (talk) 08:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Anonymous

RFC: Which pronouns should be used to refer to Loki?

Should Loki be referred to using "they/them" pronouns as seen here proposed by InfinityTrainer, or should Loki be referred to using "he/him" pronouns as seen here proposed by Davefelmer? 2601:243:1C80:6740:DD50:EB04:4574:A2C0 (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

...My children. My son and my daughter and my child who is both. So strong and so quick. So brave and so cunning. I know you. I know everything you are... And... And I love you. Very, very much. — Odin in Original Sin #5.5

I would go for a "they/them" in general, switching to "he/him" and "she/her" for moments where their gender at the time is specifically important to the plot, say with "King Loki" or "Lady Loki". InfinityTrainer (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

There's no debate here and it's an absolute non-starter. The character is a male, was created as a male and has existed for 99% of it's comic run and mythological history as a male. You can't apply real world sexual identities to shapeshifting, and attempting to even suggest this is hypocritical and inconsistent with the project's policy as other characters that shapeshift into the opposite gender such as Mystique do not have the same debate around them despite her constantly turning into men. Hell, by this logic, you'd have to apply this to various comic characters that spent time throughout the works as the opposite gender for periods. Thor by this nature would have to be described as genderfluid and a they, having been a woman before both in the comics https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_Odinson_(Earth-9997) and in the MCU when Loki temporarily turned him into one in Thor: The Dark World. And the list goes on and on.

Furthermore, there's absolutely no grounds to have this debate in the first place as the character is referred to as strictly male by Marvel themselves https://www.marvel.com/characters/loki/in-comics. Davefelmer (talk) 06:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

• Use the pronouns that are generally used by reliable sources. Switching pronouns based on our own observations of the plot would be original research.—-TriiipleThreat (talk) 07:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

• "They/them" seems more appropriate since it is used generally by reliable sources. Idealigic (talk) 21:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Why even bother coming on here to lie?

Marvel Studios - https://www.marvel.com/characters/loki

Marvel Comics - https://www.marvel.com/characters/loki/in-comics

CNN - https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/entertainment/loki-disney-marvel/index.html

BBC America - https://www.bbcamerica.com/blogs/tom-hiddlestons-loki-series-gets-a-first-look-trailer--52112

Radiotimes - https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/scifi/2020-12-18/loki-tv-series-release-date/

New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/movies/tom-hiddleston-gets-mythic-for-thor-the-dark-world.html

And on and on we can go. Like, are you under the impression that people can't simply do a Google search to refute this nonsense? The argument ends in the first place by both Marvel Studios and Marvel Comics, the creators of the actual character and source material, referring to him as strictly male and as a he/him. But all other reliable sources also refer to him as a he/him in any case. It's just a waste of time. Davefelmer (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Makes absolutely no sense to not to refer to Loki as a "he", when this is how Loki is constantly referred to in basically all of the original Marvel source material. Wakemeup38 (talk) 02:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• As mentioned by Wakemeup38 and Davefelmer, "he/him" appears to be the obviously supported pronoun by the vast majority of media and sources. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 14:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

• Excluding the relatively brief Lady Loki run, they have exclusively used he/him and presented him as a male with the ability to appear female, but still identifying as a male. Treating him as anything other than a male would be original research. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 02:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

"They" is plural. There is no legitimate reason ever to use "they" to refer to a single individual. It would be completely nonsensical. Besides, just because Loki briefly inhabited a female body (which was meant for Lady Sif; he did this to escape the underworld/afterlife) doesn't make him "genderfluid." That terminology is confined to the gender studies ideology and should not be promoted on unrelated articles as if it were a legitimate science. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.90.38.217 (talk) 07:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

"Strictly" male is undue weight

So I've gotten a revert and I've no desire to edit war, thus it seems good to take the discussion here. What exactly is the benefit to referring to Loki as "strictly" male? Because it seems to imply some sort of style guide or editorial mandate where none exists. People seem rather adamant on including it though.Rosicrucian^Talk 00:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

It covers his general exclusivity as a distinctly male character in most media. Saying "he's mostly depicted as male but has also sometimes been depicted as genderfluid" can be interpreted as saying that he's inherently genderfluid but they just choose to focus on the male side of it more, which wouldn't be true. In most stories and live action features that depict Loki, he shows no signs of nor is officially described as being genderfluid at all. Davefelmer (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

I really feel I should point out that you seem to be the only user pushing for the inclusion of this specific word, and you're claiming it's a "long-standing" part of the article when you yourself added it in October 2020. I don't feel your arguments for including it are very compelling, nor are they particularly based in Wikipedia article policy, but you definitely seem hellbent on having it in there.--Rosicrucian^Talk 01:30, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Although, strictly speaking, they're a different character from the comics version, there has been quite a bit of coverage over the past few days about how (Loki-199999 is canonically genderfluid (e.g.). With the text of Original Sin being as it is (e.g. "my child who is both"), the idea of Loki as strictly male is definitely undue weight, and to claim otherwise is the bigger act of original research; see also, Varys, where even though the word "asexual" isn't said, the desire speech from season 4 would be good enough for categorisation even without the reliable sources that exist to allow it in the text. On the pronouns issue? There's no need to torture ourselves into bad writing to avoid the use of certain pronouns. It can flow perfectly naturally to switch pronouns commensurate with their presentation in the comics. Sceptre (talk) 17:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 5 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 15:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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Loki (character) → Loki (Marvel Comics) – The current title is ambiguous, as there are many characters named Loki listed at Loki (disambiguation)#Fictional characters, including another comics character, so per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comics)#Between characters of different publishers "Marvel Comics" is the appropriate qualifier. New title is consistent with Thor (Marvel Comics) and Odin (Marvel Comics), the latter of which was recently moved for the same reason (see Talk:Odin (Marvel Comics)#Requested move 28 June 2021). Lennart97 (talk) 11:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 11:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom as the original mover of this page to the current title. I didn't notice the other entries. IronManCap (talk) 12:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom—blindlynx (talk) 13:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
• Suppot per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:29, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support "Marvel Comics" is a much more distinguishing epethet than "character" is. —FORMALDUDE ^(talk) 03:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Hummerrocket (talk) 17:13, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. I had noticed this the other day (and intended to send it here) so I'm glad an RM has been started. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Support per norm Benroyz (talk) 15:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. I've noticed this has been requested for a long time per other discussions on this page. – ChannelSpider (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

• I agree with this, if we are going to be consistent. I suppose all other such Norse God characters from Marvel with own pages should have similar changes.

• Support per nom. Aoba47 (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

New Main Image

Can we please get an updated Loki image, like the version of Loki on the picture isn't even technically alive anymore so it's inaccurate Cordelia Van Allen (talk) 21:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)