Talk:Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 5

Tom Palmer

One of the more forgettable animation directors who made Warner Bros. cartoons was Tom Palmer. Because he has a cartoon in this collection, "I've Got To Sing A Torch Song", I decided to create a Tom Palmer (animator) article using the scant material found about him in IMDB as well as my own recollections. Can anyone who knows about Palmer add more to the article? Steelbeard1 23:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Full list

According to a member of amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000TSTEM8/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_top/105-9858189-1866808?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd#customerReviews), here is a complete, descriptive list of what will be in this new DVD set:

Disc One: Bugs and Daffy

1. 14-Carrot Rabbit 2. Ali Baba Bunny (with Commentary Track by Filmmaker Greg Ford & Music Only Track) 3. Buccaneer Bunny 4. Bugs' Bonnets 5. A Star is Bored 6. A Pest in the House (with Commentary Track by Writer Paul Dini) 7. Transylvania 6-5000 (with Commentary Track by Historian Jerry Beck) 8. Oily Hare 9. Stupor Duck (with Music Only Track) 10. The Stupor Salesman 11. The Abominable Snow Rabbit (with Music and Effects Track) 12. The Super Snooper (with Music and Effects Track) 13. The Upstanding Sitter 14. Hollywood Daffy 15. You Were Never Duckier (with Commentary Track by Director Eric Goldberg)

Special Features Include: 1. Chuck Jones: Extremes and In-Betweens, a Life in Animation Part 1 (Estamated time: 45 minutes) 2. Featurettes: The Bugs Bunny Show a. Bad Time Story Bridging Sequences (Estimated time: 8:26) b. What's Up Dog? Audio Recording Sessions (Estimated time: 3:00)

Disc Two: Fairy Tales

1. Bewitched Bunny (with Commentary Track by Director Eric Goldberg & Music and Effects Track) 2. Paying the Piper 3. The Bear's Tale 4. Foney Fables 5. Goldimouse and the Three Cats (with Music Only Track) 6. Holiday for Shoestrings (with Commentary Track by Historian Daniel Goldmark) 7. Little Red Rodent Hood 8. Little Red Walking Hood (with Commentary Track by Animator Mark Kausler) 9. Red Riding Hoodwinked (with Commentary Track by Filmmaker Greg Ford & Music Only Track) 10. The Trial of Mr. Wolf 11. The Turn-Table Wolf (with Music and Effects Track) 12. Tom Thumb in Trouble (with Commentary Track by Historian Jerry Beck) 13. Tweety and the Beanstalk (with Music Only Track) 14. A Gander and a Mother Goose 15. Senorella and the Glass Huarache

Special Features Include: 1. Chuck Jones: Extremes and In-Betweens, A Life in Animation, Part Two (Estimated Time: 45:00) 2. Behind the Tunes a. Once Upon a Tune (Estimated Time: 8:27) b. Drawn to Life: The Art of Robert McKimson (Estimated Time: 15:00) 3. A Chuck Jones Tutorial: Tricks of the Cartoon (Estimated Time: 13:21) 4. Bonus Cartoons SNAFU a. Coming!! [1943] (Estimated Time: 3:00) b. Gripes [1943] (Estimated Time: 3:00) c. Gas [1944] (Estimated Time: 4:00) Hook a. Take Heed Mr. Tojo [1943] (Estimated Time: 3:00) b. The Good Egg [1945] (Estimated Time: 3:00) c. The Return of Mr. Hook [1945] (Estimated Time: 2:00) d. Tokyo Woes [1945] (Estimated Time: 4:00)

Disc Three: The Best of Bob Clampett

1. Bacall to Arms (with Commentary Track by Historian Jerry Beck) 2. Buckaroo Bugs (with Commentary Track by Historian Michael Barrier and Commentary Track by Director John Kricfalusi, Director Eddie Fitzgerald and Cartoonist Kali Fonecchino) 3. Crazy Cruise 4. Farm Frolics (with Commentary Track by Actor Keith Scott) 5. Hare Ribbin' 6. Patient Porky 7. Prehistoric Porky 8. The Bashful Buzzard (with Commentary Track by Writer Paul Dini) 9. The Old Grey Hare (with Commentary Track by Filmmaker Greg Ford) 10. The Wacky Wabbit (with Commentary Track by Director Eric Goldberg) 11. The Wise Quacking Duck 12. Wagon Heels 13. The Daffy Doc (with Commentary Track by Animator Mark Kausler) 14. A Tale of Two Kitties (with Commentary Track by Historian Michael Barrier) 15. Porky's Pooch

Special Features Include: 1. Behind the Tunes a. Wacky Warner One-Shots (Estimated Time: 8:40) b. Real American Zero: The Adventures of Private SNAFU (Estimated Time: 8:45) 2. From the Vaults a. Hare Ribbin' Director's Cut (Estimated Time: 8:00) b. The Bashful Buzzard Storyboard Reel (with Bashful Buzzard Orignial Opening Music Cue) (Estimated Time: 8:00) 3. Alternate Milt Franklin Opening Themes (with Introduction by Greg Ford)(Estimated Time: 5:00)

Disc Four: "The Early Daze"

1. Alpin Antics 2. Eatin' on the Cuff or the Moth Who Came to Dinner (with Commentary Trac by Historian Jerry Beck) 3. Milk and Money 4. I've Got to Sing a Torch Song 5. Porky at the Crocadero (with Commentary Track by Historian Daniel Goldmark) 6. Polar Pals 7. Scrap Happy Daffy 8. Porky's Double Trouble 9. Golddigers of '49 10. Pilgrim Porky 11. Wise Quacks 12. Porky's Review (with Commentary Track by Fimmaker Greg Ford) 13. Porky's Poppa 14. Wholly Smoke (with Commentary Track by Historian Daniel Goldmark) 15. What Price Porky

Special Features Include: 1. Unsung Maestros: A Directors Tribute (Estimated Time: 15:00) 2. The Looney Tunes Television Specials a. Bugs and Daff's Carnival of the Animals [1976 TV Special] (Estimated Time: 24:23) b. Bugs Bunney's Looney Christmas Tales (1979 TV Special] (Estimated Time: 24:13) c. Bugs Bunny's Bustin' Out All Over [1980 TV Special (Estimated Time: 23:46)

Whelp---there you have it1 --- JS, 70.135.8.130 00:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Define "adequately covered"

One article for an ongoing annual series of box set collections is simply not enough. The articles for the individual volumes must be kept intact. Steelbeard1 (talk) 02:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. User-AnmaFinotera is making sweeping changes across many TV series DVD sets and applying "Power Rangers" logic to the Looney Tunes collection. The lists of shorts do *not* exist on other pages and must be preserved! He's a new editor with a lot of time on his hands and he's making unilateral changes without proposing them first. Unfortunately, I don't have as much free time as he does to keep up with his edits. DavidRF (talk) 02:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not a "new editor," and your tone borders on incivility. Insults and snide comments are completely unnecessary and do not add to the discussion. The changes made were in keeping with precedent for similar individual DVD articles. FYI, the list of shorts does, in fact, already exist on Looney Tunes & Merrie Melodies filmography which is linked to from every one of those articles. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If you say you are not a "new editor," why didn't you sign your last comment? Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, someone forgetting to sign now and then is such great evidence of being a new editor. Even admins sometimes forget to sign when they are in a hurry, but I guess they are just new too. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

OK. I'm sorry I called you a new editor. I hadn't seen you on the Looney Tunes pages before and your edit history looked extremely sparse before August. Its just frustrating when an unknown editor appears out of the blue, deletes content and then cites these WP-tagged rules and suddenly I find there's all these processes that have to be done just to get things back to the way they were. On other projects I've editted there are these WikiProject page where people propose huge format edits like this *before* doing them. Does Looney Tunes not fall under one of these Wikiprojects? DavidRF (talk) 03:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I primarily work on film and TV articles and am active in both of those projects. I hit the Looney Tune article somewhat randomly. I think, as a whole, the Looney Tunes articles probably would fall under both projects (with some individual articles belonging to just one or the other, though I don't think most of the pages have been added to either. Just to note, though, there isn't always a discussion before big changes are made. Some projects do collaborative efforts on a single article for a set period of time (which will generate a ton of discussion), while with some others, an editor may start a discussion with the group if they are uncertain about their ideas for improvements and want to get additional input first.

I am sorry my edits caused so much frustration and strife. I've been doing quite a few clean ups on various articles to bring them more in line with the appropriate projects MOS and standards, most of which have gone successfully with little to no disagreements. I was surprised by the amount of resistance to the merging of these articles. I will abide, however, by whatever decision is reached in the AfD. If other editors feel its better to keep them separate, that's cool. That's why we have such processes. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I've reported on the changes to a fellow Wikipedian friend who happens to be a Wikipedia administrator. Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

That is fine. I hope your friend will stay neutral, and not simply make a decision based on your friendship, and that your statement was not intended to be a threat of some kind. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

This article has been saved. Sorry, AnmaFinotera. Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"Hollywood Daffy"

This classic 1946 Merrie Melodie came out of Friz Freleng's unit, but Freleng's name does not appear in this cartoon. This calls for an explanation, but this is disputed. The prevaling story is that Mike Maltese's story for this cartoon was rejected by Freleng but that a higher-up, either Ray Katz or Eddie Selzer, insisted that this cartoon be made. Freleng did the basic timing, but he hated this cartoon so much that he did not want his name on it. There are message board discussions on this cartoon at [1] and at [2]. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)