Talk:Majid Al Futtaim Group

Potential source material

Some potential source material includes: [1][2][3][4][5][6] -- Jreferee (talk) 12:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

External References

• "Majid Al Futtaim". Forbes.com LLC™. Forbes. [7]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "Majid Al Futtaim unveils new brand strategy to embark on next chapter of expansion". Zawya.com. Zawya. [8]. Dec 17, 2013. Retrieved 27 January 2014.
• "Majid Al Futtaim, United Arab Emirates". Global Village Encyclopedia. Open Publishing. [9]. 2014. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "Company Overview of Majid Al Futtaim Holding LLC". Businessweek.com. Open Publishing. [10]. 2014. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "VOX Cinema to triple screen count in Middle East". Gulfnews.com. Gulf News. [11]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "RPT-Fitch affirms Majid Al Futtaim Holding LLC at 'BBB'". Reuters.com. Reuters. [12]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "Fortis Healthcare - Majid Al Futtaim Healthcare in strategic tie up". Healthcare.financialexpress.com. Financial Express. [13]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "Majid Al Futtaim acquires full ownership of Carrefour franchise in the region publisher = Gulf News". Gulfnews.com. [14]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• Hamdan, Sara (May 2, 2012). "Dubai Finesses Ease of Luxury Shopping for Chinese". [15]. The New York Times. Retrieved 23 January 2014.

Majid Al Futtaim Holding Website References

• "Majid Al Futtaim Properties Overview - Background". Majidalfuttaim.com. Majid Al Futtaim Group. [16]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "Group Profile". Majidalfuttaim.com. Majid Al Futtaim Group. [17]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.
• "History". Majidalfuttaim.com. Majid Al Futtaim Group. [18]. 2013. Retrieved 26 January 2014.

Jreferee The article seems like having more external references since 2014. Is the Multiple Issues box in the article still needed? Jbenoite (talk) 12:52, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

General Presentation of Majid Al Futtaim

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This is what I suggest as a general presentation describing Majid Al Futtaim Holding. Can someone help improve this content in a way that it follows the Wikipedia rules, and then include it in the article? Regards, -- Themoroccaneditor (talk) 12:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)• Majid Al Futtaim (Arabic: ماجد الفطيم) is a holding company that owns and manages shopping mall, retail, and leisure establishments in the Middle East and North Africa, with operations in 12 countries and over 24,500 employees made up of over 70 nationalities. The Group was established by Majid Al Futtaim in 1992 with an objective of putting in place a supervisory tier for the operating companies that would assist with their development. The three major operating subsidaries include Majid Al Futtaim Properties, Majid Al Futtaim Retail, and Majid Al Futtaim Ventures. Majid Al Futtaim Group is one of the MENA region's developers of large consumer focused enterprises. The group owns and operates 16 shopping malls with over one million square meters of GLA (Gross Leasable Area), 56 hypermarkets and 53 supermarkets, 11 hotels, 9 movie theater locations with 92 screens, 16 Magic Planet sites and 45 fashion stores . (edit conflict) Hi, I'm responding to your help request, which I see has been changed to an edit request. Where is the figure "24,500 employees" sourced? Where are the 70 nationalities sourced? This sentence is confusing to me: "The Group was established by Majid Al Futtaim with an objective of putting in place a supervisory tier for the operating companies that would assist with their development." Are we trying to say that Majid Al Futtaim was established to manage its subsidiaries? Are the subsidiaries the companies that build shopping malls, or does Majid Al Futtaim build them? Both? What are "large consumer focused enterprises"? Does that mean "shopping malls"? Can we simplify this to "retail properties" or "commercial properties", or something similar? It's coming off as marketing-speak to me. I'm not really left with a strong, clear impression yet of what the company does. Putting the pieces together, it seems Majid Al Futtaim Group is a conglomerate that oversees companies specializing in commercial retail properties. Is that the gist? You may want to take a gander at ThyssenKrupp, because I think it might be an article similar enough to this subject that it might serve as a useful guide. Note, for example, that all the data is sourced. Hopefully that helps somewhat. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC) Dear Cyphoidbomb (talk, Thank you very much for your response. Following are answers for your questions - I hope this will facilitate understanding, developing, and editing the content of the article: The figure "24,500" employees from 70 nationalities" is sourced from the following articles/links: [19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27] The sentence "The Group was established by Majid Al Futtaim with an objective of putting in place a supervisory tier for the operating companies that would assist with their development." basically means that Majid Al Futtaim Group was established to supervise the three sister companies (subsidiaries) that operates in different fields. Below is a detailed structure for everyone to get a broad idea about the group and its different high-level components. In fact, to answer your second question, Majid Al Futtaim doesn't only owns, operates, and manages shopping malls. These are only a sub-business unit under Majid Al Futtaim Properties. I can definitely give more details about each company and the sub-business units under them with brand names and all other details. References can certainly be provided in order to help improve this article and build it in a proper way. Looking forward to hearing back from all interested contributers. Thank you very much. -- Themoroccaneditor (talk) 06:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)• Majid Al Futtaim Holding Majid Al Futtaim Properties Majid Al Futtaim Retail Majid Al Futtaim Ventures Shopping Malls Hotels Communities Carrefour Hypermarkets Carrefour Supermarkets Leisure & Entertainment Finance Fashion Cinemas Healthcare  Done I have changed the article lead per your notes, with some differences at my discretion, for example I removed some of the questionable language. If you see improvements to be made, please start a new {{edit COI}} at the bottom of this talk page. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the constructive comments and edits.

Asking for HELP

Helped

Whenever I make any updated to this page, everything gets removed. I have been citing all the information with relevant references. What's wrong with what I've been contributing with?

1) as someone with a conflict of interest you should not be editing the article content directly anyway. 2) Just because there is a source, does not mean it is appropriate for an encyclopedia article 3) your additions have not been encyclopedic and have been overly promotional.

in the future, please use this talk page to suggest specific changes and let other non-involved editors determine if the content is appropriate or not. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Dear TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom, Thanks for your response. Nevertheless, I don't understand how you can judge the content I've added as "not appropriate" for an encyclopedia article. In fact, all the text was checked by professional copywriters from the field. At the same time, I don't see how informational content with clear facts can be promotional? In fact, how is my content different from other companies' articles (e.g. Apple, Google, GE, LG, Microsoft...)? Last but not least, how is inserting the official logo of the company not appropriate? (No one can get the original logo unless I do anyway) - Thank you very much for your understanding. Looking forward to hearing your feedback -- Themoroccaneditor (talk) 12:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)•

Infobox Content

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 – Updated infobox seems to be on the article. APerson (talk!) 19:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Here is what I suggest as a detailed infobox for Majid Al Futtaim Group article. Can you help me add the missing information in an "appropriate" way following the rules of Wikipedia? Thank you very much. -- Themoroccaneditor (talk) 12:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)•

Infobox

Majid Al Futtaim Native name ماجد الفطيم Company type Private Industry Retail & Leisure/Entertainment Founded 1992 (1992) Founder Majid Al Futtaim Headquarters Dubai, United Arab Emirates Number of locations 12 countries (2013) Area served Middle East, Africa and Central Asia Key people Majid Al Futtaim(Founder & President) Iyad Malas (Chief Executive Officer, Holding) George Kostas (Chief Executive Officer, Properties) Frank Witek (Chief Executive Officer, Retail) Ahmed Galal Ismail (Chief Executive Officer, Ventures) Revenue 2012: AED 21.607 billion Operating income 2012: AED 3.007 billion Total assets 2012: AED 38 billion Number of employees 2013: 24,534 Subsidiaries Majid Al Futtaim properties Majid Al Futtaim Retail Majid Al Futtaim Ventures Website MajidAlFuttaim.com

History

{{helpme}} Here is a table with all the main events that marked Majid Al Futtaim Group since 1992. I guess this should be included in the article. Could someone help me edit it and write it the appropriate way according to Wikipedia rules please?-- Themoroccaneditor (talk) 12:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)•

A "History" table

Year Event Ref 1992 Majid Al Futtaim Group was founded by Majid Al Futtaim. 1995 Opening of Deira City Centre (First Mall in UAE) Opening of first hypermarket in Deira City Centre 1998 Opening of Ajman City Centre (Second Mall in UAE) 2000 Opening of first hypermarket in Doha 2001 Operations in Oman started with Muscat City Centre (First Mall in Oman) 2002 Operations in Egypt started with Maadi City Centre 2004 Opening on first hypermarket in Riyadh, KSA 2005 Opening of Mall of the Emirates (2nd Mall in Dubai, 4th in UAE) Operations in KSA started with Carrefour hypermarkets 2006 Opening of first hypermarket in Jordan Creation of Majid Al Futtaim Ventures 2007 Joint Venture with Oman Government for The Wave, Muscat development Opening of first hypermarket in Kuwait 2008 Opening of Bahrain City Centre (First Mall in Bahrain) Entered Consumer Financial Services with Najm credit card 2010 Majid Al Futtaim become 100% owner of MAF Cinemas Opening of Mirdif City Centre (3rd Mall in Dubai, 5th in UAE) 2011 Obtained BBB (Credit rating) from Fitch Ratings 2012 Opening of Fujairah City Centre Started operations in Iraq and Georgia with Carrefour hypermarkets 2013 Opening of Beirut City Centre (First Mall in Lebanon, 12th in the portfolio) Entered the Food & Beverage sector with a 50% acquisition of Gourmet Gulf Company Majid Al Futtaim Healthcare launches its first clinic in Deira City Centre Majid Al Futtaim acquires Carrefour's 25% minority stake in MAF Hypermarkets and therefore, owns 100% of the Carrefour brand regional operations and exclusive operation rights in 38 markets across Middle East, Africa, and Central Asia regions. References

I would suggest writing it in prose first, then submitting another edit request. The {{Helpme}} template is for use on your talkpage only. APerson (talk!) 19:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

July 2014 - Edit Request

I think you need more references for the above that come from somewhere else besides the company's website. Wilipino (talk) 10:59, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

May 2015 - Edit request

Can some contributor add this timeline to the Majid Al Futtaim Group page please? This is supported by an external reliable reference

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This was done Jbenoite (talk) 12:52, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

And then it was undone, as the reference doesn't support the content being added. There's no mention of most of those nations in the article. Where's Lebanon, Armenia, Pakistan, Iraq? As far as I can tell, the only content being supported is that the company began 20 years ago. If I'm wrong, lemme know. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Here is a list of references that shows the existence of the company in all these locations. Will now add it back

UAE, Egypt, Saudi:

Oman, Lebanon, Bahrain:

Kuwait, Qatar:

Jordan, Pakistan:

Iraq:

Armenia, Georgia:

Jbenoite (talk) 11:23, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

References

My personal opinion is that the market timeline should never be added- it serves no purpose other than to look good for promotion. I've added the countries though, in a less promotional way. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:41, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jbenoite: Don't add it just after I said that it served no purpose- for it to be added, it would need a consensus of people, and I think it serves no purpose other than to promote, just like most of the article already. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Joseph2302: your opinion is much appreciated, we are just trying to develop the article based on a contributor's suggestion, and as you can see I supported that with relevant references, and that was initially the issue that Cyphoidbomb had pointed out. Now if you think this is a promotional content, that's another thing, and you might be right actually, depending on Tbenazoun's request's intention, especially that he had previously declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article.

@Joseph2302:Though, what you have added as an alternative for the tables is actually wrong since most of the references I have added show that the group is operating in 13 countries not its subsidiary "Majid Al Futtaim properties". Tbenazoun has mentioned that is his talk page. Cheers.

Jbenoite (talk) 3:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

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"Too promotionnal" issues

Since the beginning of my intervention on this page (but also before if I am right), several sections have been taken off because they were "too promotional". However, based on my own contributions: there wasn't any content of such dimension but only informative content: facts and only facts. You should stop deleting content for such reason when it is not the case, or at least justify your changes more specifically. Also, information is directly extracted from regional media sources but also from the US (e.g CNN, Bloomberg)

-- Wikicapitaineben (talk) 17:48, 14 December 2018 (CEST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB00:D7:E000:E092:830E:467B:AE52 (talk)