Talk:Mama (My Chemical Romance song)

Release Date

There was a sentence that referenced billboard as saying that it may come out December 12. Nowhere on that site does it say that. I removed it. Andrew V. 18:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

People need to stop saying that it will be released on a certain date if they have no proof. I doubt 'December 23, 2012' is right. Partial Protection, maybe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.144.141 (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete this page please

It is now confirmed that the whole single thing was in fact a rumor, now let's delete this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.189.17 (talk) 01:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Source? Zazaban (talk) 02:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The article says it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.189.17 (talk) 06:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The article says the date is a rumor, not the single. Zazaban (talk) 07:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

What article is being referred to here????? WHY ISN'T THIS PAGE DELETED! in all seriousness, there is NO evidence that shows this is a single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.76.152.203 (talk) 08:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete this page, Frank admits they haven't made a video for it yet, and don't know if they ever will, therefore, the single is still only a rumor, please delete this page for now until it is confirmed as a single, and you guys are right, there is no evidence to support any sign of Mama turning into a single. Blkeddie! (talk) 08:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

On the contrary the page has been formated in to that of a standard song, not a single, and as it has received notable airplay as of November 2007 in the United Kingdom and has been so widely speculated (even by the BBC, Absolute Punk, NME) and there has been mention of the bands desire to release a further single and a video for the song, the article does meet Wikipedia:Notability (music), so unless it is merged with The Black Parade which does not seem necessary, the article can be left. (86.154.242.202 (talk) 22:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC))

April 22

This date needs a valid source pronto. There are plenty of warnings about putting false/rumoured dates in this article, so just don't do it. Deleting this until evidence of its validity arises. Softwing (talk) 09:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

clearly no one reads discussion pages anymore, as it has happened again. Give a source or don't edit the page. Seems pretty clear to me. If you give a date with no citation, it isn't going to be sticking around. Softwing (talk) 14:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Article history

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• ... that Liza Minnelli appeared on a song by My Chemical Romance?

• Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/my-chemical-romance-best-songs-8543517/ -- "...and a guest appearance from none other than Liza Minnelli herself, “Mama” still stands as one of the craziest and most entertaining songs MCR has ever put out."

• ALT1: ... that the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was written on a bet that Ray Toro could not write a polka in the band's style? Source: https://www.altpress.com/my-chemical-romance-the-black-parade-facts-trivia/ -- "The crew made bets that Ray Toro couldn’t possibly write a polka in their own style, a challenge which the mastermind obviously passed."
• ALT2: ... that the demo for the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was recorded inside a haunted mansion? Source: 'Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance.' -- Page 154, "You can almost see the ghosts flying around the room when we recorded those songs. Especially that "Mama" song. When we played that at Paramour..." + https://www.altpress.com/the-black-parade-curse-my-chemical-romance/ -- "The Black Parade was partially written and recorded in a notoriously haunted mansion called the Paramour"
• ALT3: ... that mamas sang on "Mama"? Source: https://www.kerrang.com/the-20-greatest-my-chemical-romance-songs-ranked -- "...before widening out into a pirate shanty sung by the Way brothers’ parents and Frank Iero’s mum."
• Reviewed:

Created by Leafy46 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Leafy46 (talk) 22:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but I have struck ALT0 as it fails WP:DYKINT (it's dependent on knowing who both Liza Minnelli and My Chemical Romance are), ALT1 would be better if it ended at 'bet' (and replaced 'on' with 'for'), and ALT3 is adorable.--Launchballer 19:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

• Article new enough (July 16), long enough (7200 B), well-sourced. Subject passes WP:NSONG. ALT1 and ALT3 verified in sources, assuming good faith on the print source for ALT2. Approving all hooks. I agree with Launchballer, ALT3 is a 10/10 hook; should definitely go with that one. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:34, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mama (My Chemical Romance song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Leafy46 (talk · contribs) 00:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: FishLoveHam (talk · contribs) 08:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey! I'll take on this review, expect comments soon! FishLoveHam (talk) 08:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Lead

• "when" → "after". -- Y Done
• "Produced by the band and Rob Cavallo, "Mama" was written by band members Bob Bryar, Frank Iero, Ray Toro, Gerard Way, and Mikey Way." kinda awkwardly worded, maybe try "The song was written by band members Bob Bryar, Frank Iero, Ray Toro, Gerard Way, and Mikey Way and was produced by the group in collaboration with Rob Cavallo". -- Y Reworded
• "The lyrics explore The Patient, the dying protagonist of The Black Parade, as he reminisces about his relationship with his mother" reword. -- Y Reworded

Background and recording

• The image caption is odd... It talks about how critics responded to her appearance, which is fine, just it doesn't fit the section. I think this image should either be moved down to "Critical reception" or the caption should be changed. -- Y Moved. The only downside is that it now interferes with the page's layout on the Legacy appearance, but that shouldn't be a problem for the average reader.
• "pieced together" be more specific. -- Y I personally prefer the conciseness of the previous wording, but I'm okay adding a bit more detail. I've also added a quote from the text.
• "and noted how "you can almost hear the haunted house in the background"" This doesn't add much, I think it should be removed. -- Y Removed
• The quote "voice to finally talk back to me" doesn't flow nicely, maybe "voice to [...] talk back" to him would be better? -- Y Fixed the flow, but without the bracketed ellipses per MOS:...

Composition and lyrics

• "spans" → "explores". -- Y I don't think that this is precisely the right word, but I also can't think of a different one other than "spans" or "moves" (which would clash with "movements")

Release

• Add a comma after the first "2006". -- Y I'm pretty sure it was grammatically correct as is, but I've shuffled the sentence around a bit to avoid the problem entirely.

Critical reception

• "released by the band" is repeated, reword for one of them. -- Y Done

References

• I strongly recommend adding archives for the web sources. -- Will add later, since this isn't part of the GA criteria

Spot check

• [1] Y
• [5] N Says the album was "partially written and recorded" there, not necessarily demoed as this article suggests. -- "Demoed" in this case is supposed to mean "written and recorded", as the song was presumably worked on while at the Paramour and a demo was recorded there. I've removed the source and changed the wording for clarity, in any case.
• [10] Y
• [13] Y
• [17] a. N nothing matches. b. Y Although more from the source could be added. -- The source calls the song a "polka-turned-heavy multi-movement journey", and thus supports the fact that the song contains multiple movements.
• [21] a. Y b. N c. Y -- Not sure why that was there for b, I've removed it
• [26] Y
• [32] Y
• [38] Y

Other

• Images: One fair use image, issue adressed above Y
• Broad & summary style: Fine Y
• Neutral: Balanced Y
• No OR/COPYVIO: Y Earwig's copyvio reported 25.9% in similarity
• Stable: Y

Ping when you're done!

@FishLoveHam: Thank you for the prompt review! I've gone ahead and fixed up most of what you've mentioned. The only evaluation of your which I disagreed with is for source #17 (now source #16, the Loudwire listicle), as it directly mentions the fact that the song contains multiple movements. I'll also get about archiving the sources on a different day when I have more time. Hopefully everything else looks good to you? Leafy46 (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Leafy46: I still don't really agree with the use of ref #16a, but I can see the argument and it's minor enough that I'm willing to overlook it. Great work on this article, you have done a fantastic job! FishLoveHam (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to review this article. Leafy46 (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Progress

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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