Talk:Manchester by the Sea (film)

Requested move 24 January 2016

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The result of the proposal was move per request. I note that since the town is hyphenated, someone might raise the issue that the parenthetical disambiguator here, (film), is unnecessary and overprecise. However, because it is not unlikely for people to search for the town without hyphens, some people searching for the town would surely land here and be astonished. That does not mean I have determined the redirect pointing there is primary, but just noting that that is something not obviously correct to do here, in the absence of its discussion, where it would be were there no other unhyphenated, Manchester by the Sea title.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:57, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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Manchester-by-the-Sea (film) → Manchester by the Sea (film) – Though the town is called Manchester-by-the-Sea, the film title is Manchester by the Sea.[1][2][3] — Film Fan 11:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support per the sources' writing of the film title. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:51, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Manchester by the Sea (film)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Manchester by the Sea (film)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "BOM":

• From Being John Malkovich: "Being John Malkovich (1999)". Box Office Mojo. IMDb. Retrieved November 7, 2010.
• From Spotlight (film): "Spotlight (2015)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved May 1, 2016.
• From The Birth of a Nation (2016 film): "The Birth of a Nation (2016)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved December 22, 2016.
• From Jason Bourne (film): "Jason Bourne (2016)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved November 8, 2016.
• From Shakespeare in Love: "Shakespeare in Love (1998)". Box Office Mojo. IMDb. Retrieved 2012-02-19.
• From La La Land (film): "La La Land (2016)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved December 31, 2016.
• From Traffic (2000 film): "Traffic (2000)". Box Office Mojo. IMDb. Retrieved 2012-03-03.
• From Rogue One: "Rogue One (2016)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved December 31, 2016.
• From Collateral Beauty: "Collateral Beauty (2016)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved December 31, 2016.
• From Evita (1996 film): "Evita (1996)". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved September 5, 2016. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Year-end lists

The film's been ranked within top 3 of numerous critics year-end list - http://www.metacritic.com/feature/film-critics-list-the-top-10-movies-of-2016

Should be added in the reception part. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 11:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added several to the article.

Requested move 13 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is also consensus to make Manchester by the Sea a disambiguation page, which I will do shortly. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 18:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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Manchester by the Sea (film) → Manchester by the Sea – The film is not spelt with hyphens, whilst the town itself is. Also, the only articles linking to "Manchester by the Sea" are intended for the film. Unreal7 (talk) 22:03, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:RECENT all kinds of web and print sources don't have hyphens for the town. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:26, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
• Support a DAB page at Manchester by the Sea. This would help pick up mislinks, and at the very least the film will likely satisfy the first criteria of WP:PTOPIC for a while. Nohomersryan (talk) 01:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose the move but agree with Nohomersryan that a dab page at Manchester by the Sea would be OK (what he called Support). Dicklyon (talk) 07:02, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
• Support dab page per above. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 09:47, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
• Support: I propose that the article for the town should disambiguate itself from the film at the top of the page, which it does already ("For the American drama film set in and named after the city, see Manchester by the Sea (film).") and the article for the film should likewise make note of the town. –Matthew - (talk) 00:10, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
• Support a DAB page per above. Mymis (talk) 19:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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British Academy Awards

The film did not win Best Original Screenplay at the British Academy Awards, Moonlight was nominated in that category there and won. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.189.88 (talk) 05:51, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

date of film

I know this is minor, but I question putting this film in the category "Films set in 2015" . In the film Ben Affleck's character is shown watching a hockey game between the St. Louis Blues and the Boston Bruins. Based on what is shown I think this is the November 21, 2013 game where there was a shoot out after a 2-2 tie. Iwalters (talk)

@Iwalters: I think this is something worth exploring. It was Ben's brother, Casey, that was in the movie, however. In which scene is he watching the game? I don't recall it out of hand, and don't feel like re-watching the movie--LOL! Since the movie is full of flashbacks, I wanted to make sure it wasn't during a flashback.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 13:41, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

The movie's "present" is definitely no earlier than 2015; the gravestone for Lee's brother Joe says he died in 2015. That hockey game could've gone back to a 2013 flashback, though, given how the film often goes back-and-forth between past and present. What's not entirely clear is whether Joe died towards the beginning or end of 2015 when it's winter in Manchester and the local cemetery's ground has to thaw out in the spring before he can be buried. Based on that, the "present" is either 2015 or 2016. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:12, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree with SNUGGUMS.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Tragedy vs. Drama, contesting the genre of the film in the article

I want to engage in the process of possible changing the genre of the film from drama to tragedy. The reason for this is because the film is regarded as a tragedy in multiple articles and even the director himself Kenneth Lonergan has called it a tragedy. It's even address in the themes section of the article. I have supplied multiple sources to back up my claim yet, without due process an editor keeps reverting the genre back to drama and deleted my sources without even discussing it with me. Since it's referred to as a tragedy by many people including the director I believe it's correct genre is tragedy and should be acknowledged as such. I'm here to engage in this talk page to try to find a group consensus for the genre of the film. If we can agree after the discussion what genre to label it that would be the best. One should not act with impunity when another editor has sources to back themselves up. IceBrotherhood (talk) 2:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I would vote to keep it a Drama. While it is without a doubt a tragedy, "tragedy" is not generally considered a genre in the movie industry. Comedy, drama, thriller, horror, fantasy, sure. "Tragedy"? Not so much.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:40, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

My thing with that is many films have been listed as tragedies by genre and spoken of as such by those who'd made those films. Usually nearly all the adaptations of Shakespeare's plays or Greek and Roman plays and myths. This is specifically a case of genre. Even though it's a film going by the definition of the movie industry is ridiculous. Wikipedia doesn't endorse any film studios or is in business with any capitalist investments, eh? Nor is wikipedia bound by a contract with Hollywood, correct? This is suppose to simply be a case of genre only, no extra layers or mixing it with another concept. My vote is for it to be changed to Tragedy and be written as such on the article. IceBrotherhood (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with this assessment and although all your references were removed by someone who thought there were too many refs, I changed back the article to reflect the tragedy assessment.UserTwoSix (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I too think this is correct. Given the nature of the film I too believe IceBrotherhood has the accurate assessment. The genre of this film should be labeled as tragedy. So I concur with UserTwoSix on this. The genre of the article should be changed back to tragedy. Hopeful Grace (talk) 04:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Failed GAN notes

This is some feedback on the previous review for any future reviewer.

• GAN reviewer: Is "awkward" in "during an awkward meal" really neutral? Using "uncomfortable" seems like a safer bet when the three definitely aren't at ease with one another.

• Reply: Those words are functionally synonyms, and if anything, "uncomfortable" is arguably more non-neutral, since...it borders on interpretation to say that they were uncomfortable just because we (the viewers) may have been uncomfortable. It was "awkward" though, in the sense that, the communication and connections were frequently misunderstood throughout the scene, as the characters admitted (like the mom not hearing the "Amen" at the end of the prayer, or the son insisting (against the mom's protestations) that he actually felt welcomed). I would argue the stepdad wasn't uncomfortable at all, and was probably relishing the fact that this would be his way to get rid of is stepson.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 16:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• GAN reviewer: Unless I'm missing something, this doesn't mention any play Matt Damon had worked with Kenneth Lonergan on, and just Margaret seems to be worth mentioning anyway when only that has a specified name and thus something solid to work with.

• Reply: I removed the "play" mention. After some research, it appears Damon starred in a play on the West End that Lonergan wrote, but they didn't work together. That likely influenced Damon's decision to work with the director, but I removed it until a credible reference appears that asserts that.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:01, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• GAN reviewer: Contrary to what this subsection placement suggests, movie earnings aren't really connected to reviews. I'd move all of this content into "Release" and merge into one paragraph instead of having two ridiculously short paragraphs.

• Reply: MOS:FILMS says box office should be played under reception, and if there is sufficient information, its own section.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• GAN reviewer: "I don't find the exact word "emoted" anywhere here in the way your quote form suggests; don't fabricate quotes"

• Reply: An editor came through and re-wrote the sentence one day based on what (s)he thought it was "trying" to say. I'll try to find an old version of the article and restore the original wording.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 15:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Manchester by the Sea (film)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 12:59, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• " was soon picked up by Amazon Studios for" remove "soon" —  Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 20:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Non-breaking spaces between numbers and millions.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 20:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Massachusetts until " comma after Mass. — The current phrasing is correct. A prepositional phrase that comes after an independent clause requires no comma. For example "I live in a house." There is no need for a comma before "in."--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 22:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• " Lee opts to remain in Manchester-by-the-Sea," probably need to note earlier that this is where Joe was.—I was unable to find a place to mention MBTS earlier in the plot summary, since neither the hospital nor the funeral home are in that town. However, I made a clarification that the home where Patrick and Lee lives is there.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 22:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• " Patrick's uncle." etc, these are sentence fragments so they don't need a period.—Agreed and  Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 22:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Non-breaking space before ellipsis per MOS:ELLIPSIS.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 22:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "would not have a" did, not would.—This usage is correct. "Would," in this case, is the past tense of "will." It is used to refer to a future event in relation to a past date. From the standpoint of September 8, 2014 (when work on the film began) his next break (a future event at the time) would end up being a year away.
• "The Finest Hours" turns out that was a 2016 movie.—I wasn't sure what you were correcting here. but The Finest Hour is only mentioned once in the article, to say that Affleck was filming the movie in December 2014, which is a true statement.
• "joined" is somewhat overused for those members who were added to the cast.—Fixed this.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Matt Damon and John Krasinski had" both overlinked.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts.[22] " also overilnked.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Filming took place... Filming wrapped" repetitive.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "whale watching among other whale watchers." likewise.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Initially, Gigi Pritzker was set..." this "produce", "finance", "through [...] company" is highly repetitive.—Fixed.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "The film was screened at the Telluride Film Festival in September 2016.[33] The Toronto International Film Festival screened the film on September 13, 2016.[34][35" short clunky, consider elegant merging.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• "May 8, 2017 and " comma after year.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Manchester by the Sea grossed..." merge this single-sentence para with the next one.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• "finishing 6th at" ranking sixth?—Finishing is more common, but I did spell out sixth, which is appropriate since it's a number less than 10.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• "received immense critical acclaim" remove "immense".—Agreed.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Manchester by the Sea received six nominations..." -> "The film received..."— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• "with Jezebel" italics, like our article?—The manual of style is ambivalent about italicizing websites, but I have no problem with it.  Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Check those ellipsis non-breakers!
• Variety is overlinked.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Georg Friedrich Händel" presumably formatted per the ref, we have no h and no diacritic on our article. And it's overlinked in this table.—The Wikipedia article's title is the Anglicized version of his name (a version which is highly contested on the talk pages and not used anywhere is Wikipedia), but even that article acknowledges his birth name, contains a copy of his birth certificate with the German spelling, and uses both spellings. In this article, is overlinked, though, so I fixed that.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Some odd SHOUTING in the refs, e.g. JANUARY 21.—I fixed this. I didn't see any others, but if you find another, let me know, and I will fix that as well.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC) I kept looking and fixed them all, I think.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
• Also in titles, e.g. ref 70.— Done--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Otherwise a really excellent article. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, thank you for the chance to hopefully improve it further, onwards and upwards to FAC perhaps? On hold until we sort this trivia out. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man:Thank you so much for this very thorough review. I really appreciate you taking the time to look over the article. If you catch anything else, let me know and I'll try to attend to it. Stay safe!--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Delighted to pass this to GA. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see it at FAC...!! Great work. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Milestones

Esprit15d, are you sure you updated the milestones correctly? I'm pretty ignorant of the GA process, but I assume that header shouldn't be doubled. -- Fyrael (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)