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I believe that a Mapudungun wikipedia should be developed to encourage the growth of the language of the Mapuche, especially within their younger generation. Unfortunately, I don't know Mapudungun nor do I know who to contact to bring this idea into fruition. Anyone want to help?--GringoInChile 00:46, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Like Inuktitut, the language name seems to be derived from a native word basically meaning "our language" and since the people call themselves "the people", which is Mapuche, there's no way of confusing the language and the group of speakers. Hence the formula "XXX language" seems superflous and I've moved the article to Mapudungun.

Peter ^Isotalo 23:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I am wondering how reliable the number of speakers quoted in the article is. I have traveled over much of Chile, including many areas considered to be Mapudungun speaking, and have never heard it spoken. While not a scientific study, my impression is that the numbers quoted in the article are quite high. 128.114.25.175 23:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Number of speakers is based on stimations from various organizations from Argentina and Chile. Probably will be published more accurate data on this year. Bye. Lin linao 05:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Microsoft lawsuit

I removed the section because the link to the news report does not work. If anyone can provide a working link, I think this section should be reinstated and perhaps even expanded to provide more details.--JAXHERE | ^Talk 17:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because you couldn't access the source at one particular moment doesn't mean the info was unsourced. Your merry deletion of sourced material was completely unwarranted and might even qualify as vandalism. Moreover, the source (a Reuters news piece, as the link makes clear) is easily recoverable through a simple Google search, which obviously you didn't care the least bit to perform (just try "Microsoft Mapuche Reuters" and the very first result[1] is a news article in a major Spanish newspaper, El Mundo, explicitly based on the Reuters teletype). If you ever have any doubt about the verifiability of an information for which a source link is provided, you should voice your concerns in the Talk section first before proceding with a wholesale deletion. 213.37.6.23 (talk) 10:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

There are two reference links there. The second, to a Spanish news outlet, works, but the first, to a Reuters news article, does not; it just goes to the Reuters homepage. --Haruo (talk) 15:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

This was nine years ago. Does anyone know what the outcome was? I have not been able to find out by googling. The only hits I find are about the Mapuche intent to sue Microsoft, even to the Supreme Court. What ever happened? —Stephen (talk) 22:03, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Realtion with Chono

Is there any lexical influence from Chono language in the Mapudungun? I would guess that there is because there are a lot of Chono placenames in Chiloe very close to places with Mapudungun names. Dentren | ^Talk 09:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Chono language is not a proven language. Placenames in Chiloe which aren't known Mapuche etymology are considered as "Chono" in lacking of another name. The only text in "real Chono" was written c. 1750 and it has a translation made by a linguist in 1950's. You could read Sustrato y superestrato multilingües en el extremo sur de Chile and es:Idioma chono. Bye. Lin linao 11:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Grammar

I changed the wording of the paragraph on nouns in the grammar section. It used a very 'oh look what a weird language this is!' wording, contrasting the animate/inanimate with masculine/feminin ('like in French, Spanish and Portuguese'), not NPOV at all. Jalwikip 07:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Language question

Is anybody here who're able to tell me how to pronounce the Mapudungun word "daquel"? --91.89.45.77 (talk) 13:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone helped me. It's [dakel] (german writed). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.45.77 (talk) 13:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Dakel is pronuonced [ θaˈkel ] or [ ðaˈkel ]. See Voiceless dental fricative and Voiced dental fricative. I suppose that in English could be spelled like "thah-kehl" (?). Bye. Lin linao (talk) 04:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Current photo: "War council!"

Gee, could anyone dig up a *more* offensive and stereotypical image that is as completely unrelated to a language than this one? Perhaps a picture of cannibalism or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.94.96.194 (talk) 18:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Araucanian

"The Mapuche language, Mapudungun (from mapu 'earth, land' and dungun 'speak, speech') [...] also spelled Mapuzugun and sometimes called Mapudungu or Araucanian (Araucano). The latter was the name given to the Mapuche by the Spaniards but nowadays both the Mapuche and others avoid this usage." Nevertheless it should be noted that the Wikipedia Incubator's Mapuche test page calls it "Araucanian": here. --Haruo (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Language isolate or "araucanian"

Hello! I'm perplexed: the infobox says that Mapudungun is part of an Araucanian family (along with Huilliche), but in the main article it is described as a "language isolate". Which one of these claims is the right one? Lwyx (talk) 21:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

It's a matter of opinion. If Huilliche is a dialect, then it's an isolate. If it's a separate language, then it's a family of two. Same for a lot of the other "isolates" out there. — kwami (talk) 11:26, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

language material online n

The Salas grammar is at https://archive.org/details/rosettaproject_arn_vertxt-1. Rudolph Schuller's vocabulary is at https://archive.org/details/elvocabularioar00hercgoog/ ; Andres Febres' grammar is at https://archive.org/details/gramticadelalen00astrgoog; Luis Valdivia's grammar and vocabulary at https://archive.org/details/artevocabulario00valdgoog In general, go to archive.org and search the texts for "mapuche," then find one with the keyword "mapuche language" and click on that to get a page of related books. 71.163.117.143 (talk) 14:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 5 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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Mapuche language → Mapudungun – The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Mapuche is the people not the language. Using the endonym for the language is much more WP:CONCISE and has more WP:CONSISTENCY. --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2015 (UTC) Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 01:38, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment this has nothing to do with the primary topic of "Mapuche", and there's no such consistency to be found, as there's only one language here to be consistent with, itself. So, it boils down to CONCISE, whether your proposal is the WP:COMMONNAME for the language or not, or if WP:NATURALDAB is preferable to the COMMONNAME due to CONCISE if it isn't the common name and the current title is the common name. If some other name is the COMMONNAME in UE - ENGLISH, then that should probably be used. If this language is called "Mapuche" (as omniglot indicates), then "Mapuche language" is a NATURALDAB variant of that, due to the people being primary. -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 02:43, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much. I will use your comments as part of my reason.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 03:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NCLANG, that we use the common root of the language and people when possible. — kwami (talk) 05:42, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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