Talk:Marcello Ferrada de Noli

Explaining new article (new from scratch)

This article is done from scratch and it is an entirely different version than the one originally posted in Wikipedia in 2009. It addresses all the issues for which the old article was criticized. Although the article itself being shorter, 62 new references to reliable third party sources have been added to a total of 86 references. These consist of mainstream- newspaper articles, followed in number with books published by “established publishers” (as specified by Wikipedia) and public documents –e.g., UN Security Council public documents referring De Noli’s investigations, European history archives or history academic publications. All references are verifiable.

All self-published sources in the previous version (including bibliographic references to scientific articles) were deleted, with only one exception. I.e., in a bibliographic reference corresponding to the mention done in the article of the book “Sweden vs Assange – Human Rights Issues”, it had to be indicated the name of publisher, being in that case Libertarian Books, Sweden. Being a non-profit publishing outlet founded by Ferrada de Noli in 2013, it could make that reference to fall in the “self-published” category. Reviewer admins should decide whether this ref. could be kept.

The inclusion of the journal Clinical Psychology as secondary source in denoting the relevance for psychiatry of one research finding, is done according Wikipedia guidelines in “Using sources”, which states: [1] “a review article that analyzes research papers in a field is a secondary source…”

Text in Notes and References resulted relatively extensive (article text is shorter than the early version), because of these reasons: 1.- Following Wikipedia guidelines, quoted texts in references and notes are now given in both translated and original language. 2.- Inline citations, In-text attributions, etc. In order to meet previous observations about unclear or insufficient sourcing, I have tried to make the references as explicative as possible. The relatively long explicative texts may be shortened after the administrators approve the article.

About the article’s length. Rationale: 1) long life span covered in the bio, i.e. 1961-2017 (subject born 1943), 2) parallel activities (political and academic) overlapping in time had to be treated separately. On the other hand, bio aspects such as family, other education or extra permanent activities beside academic/political/ (e.g. publishing or artistic) are not included in this version.

Found in Google:

a) Google News mentioning Marcello Ferrada de Noli. N=231 results, (retrieved 8 Feb 2018, 9.39 PM) b) Google News mentioning SWEDHR (Swedish Doctors for Human Rights), NGO founded by Ferrada de Noli. N = 273 results (retrieved 22 January 2018) c) Google News mentioning The Indicter (magazine online founded by De Noli) N = 136 results (retrieved 22 January 2018) d) Google Scholar: N = 750 articles citing original articles authored by M Ferrada-Noli and/or M Ferrada de Noli; e) Google Books: N= 61 books quoting the work of author M Ferrada-Noli and/or M Ferrada de Noli. f) Standard Google search for Marcello Ferrada de Noli N=168,000 results (retrieved 7 Feb 2018, 2.05 AM)

Inkerifi (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

New edits after the AfD discusion

Based in comments at the AfD discussion, which ended in “Keep” this article, I have made some modifications, trying to meet the suggestions put forward.

Additional contributions to improve this article are much welcome. Particularly regarding language issues.

1. DGG (talk) commented that the article would be “much more acceptable” “if more focused in the scientific work”. He also pointed out that one article by Ferrada de Noli (on suicidal behaviour and severe trauma) had about 220 citations, or so, which would mean notability according to costumary in WP. (Meaning, “notability” referred to the specific subject in which de Noli received the number of citations as established by DGG).

Following that indication, I have added in the led: “Research wise, he is mainly cited for his investigation on suicidal behaviour associated with severe trauma.”

Changed now to "Ferrada de Noli is known for his investigations on suicidal behaviour associated with severe trauma.[Reference added] Inkerifi (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I have also assigned a separate section for ‘Research’

2. Also reflecting the discussion, I took away from the led section the references to the debated “one of founders of MIR” issue, and placed it down in the ‘Early endeavours’ section.

3. I have tried a more neutral POV in the article’s text; cleaned text from excessive detail regarding early undertakings. I have also deleted the praising characterization by David Lester’s (on one research finding by De Noli) from the article text.

I moved several of the items deleted from the article text to references/notes.

Thanks, Inkerifi (talk) 18:41, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

1. Try separating the academic and political careers.
2. It is misleading to say that " The journal Clinical Psychology Review (2009) wrote that Ferrada de Noli and co-workers had found a new pathway in the pathogenesis of suicidal behaviour associated with PTSD," The 3 particular authors in an article in that journal said ....
3. The very long quotations in the footnotes are puffery. Reduce to the essentials, & consider moving the key essentials to the text
   1. For example, "methods used in torture " I see from the footnote, is relevant because it included waterboarding. That should be moved to the text.
4. The details in sec. 4.2 are excessive. And try throughout for conciseness. The suitable length, everything included, would be at most 1/2 the current length
5. But some details need to be added: we need the years of his degrees, and of his appointments.
6. First according to pubmed searching is what we call Original Research using Primary Sources. We do not do that. You need a statement from an independent published reliable source. DGG ( talk ) 21:38, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I thank you, DGG (talk). This is done, so far:

1. I have separated political / academic endeavours. Now two different sections.
2. Text referring the assessment in Clinical Psychology Review, now corrected. It reads: “In the journal Clinical Psychology Review (2009), three authors wrote that…”
3. I have started the work regarding the excessively detailed text in Notes and References. However, this will take a little longer to complete, as least from my part (as I will have to take a break in the editing, hopefully brief). But of course, any one could do it. Nevertheless, as you suggested, I moved to text the illustration about “methods used in torture”, and also the description of the research finding on PTSD and depression done by the authors in the Clinical Psychological Review article. (May I add that I was well aware of the need to shorten Notes. As I wrote above in section “Explaining this article”: “In order to meet previous observations about unclear or insufficient sourcing, I have tried to make the references as 'explicative' as possible. The relatively long texts may be shortened after the administrators approve the article.“)
4. Section 4.2 is shortened about 40% (so far).
5. Dates for degrees / prof. appointments (all info found at the public CV) are now posted. Being other info on academic, political and personal whereabouts are also referred in that site (which I have already linked in 3 or so references), I’ve added the site address in External Links.
6. I have replaced the (primary source) PubMed ref for "Suicide research in Sweden from the early 1990’s until 2014", a publication by the Swedish National Center for Suicide Research and Prevention of Mental-Ill Health. Furthermore, I deleted the text & reference to the alleged MIR 'counterintelligence' task by the 70s reported done in cooperation with Swe Security Service. I couldn't find any other source but the article in the series "Ferrada de Noli VS Pinochet" linked in his website. Inkerifi (talk) 14:38, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Resolving tags, 12 new sources

Thanks for the edits and contributions to this article during recent months. I was not aware that each academic appointment mentioned in Wikipedia bio articles of professors and scientists has to be documented in such detail. With regards to this article, edits done by BobFromBrockley during October 2018 tagged nearly all the academic appointments with “better source needed” or “citation needed”. All the tags are now addressed, 12 new sources have been added, and each item with corresponding links to external webpages allocating the actual documents/certificates. Some certificates issued by universities, and links to sources, were partly found in the public CV which was listed in the article's External links. Editors wishing to additionally verify authenticity of certificates/documents issued by the universities or institutions named below, should themselves contact those institutions. All addresses are public. These are the edits I did 29 April 2019:

1. I removed the tag [better source needed] following text “…later head of the research group of Cross-Cultural Injury Epidemiology at the Karolinska Institute until 2008” after adding new links, and also changed year 2018 to 2009. Details: 1.1. The source given in Ref. [3] (Document 1217/2007-2335) is fully verifiable at the Karolinska Institute Registrar’s Office. 1.2. Added certificate issued 21 December 2004 by Prof Leif Svanström, head of the Dept. Social Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, Sweden, stating, “(Professor Marcello Ferrada-Noli) academic duties have comprised…leadership of the research group on Cross-Cultural Injury Epidemiology, Injury Prevention Programme.” 1.3. Added publication by the Karolinska Institute, Department of Social Medicine, 2009. Safety Promotion and Injury Prevention: Research, Education and Policy Development, which it reads in page 5: “Chair of the International and Cross-cultural Injury Epidemiology Research Group: Prof. Marcello Ferrada-Noli, Ph.D. in Psychiatry (K.I.), Postdoctoral in Social Medicine (Harvard).”

2. Removed tag [better source needed] following text: “Earlier doctoral studies in Applied psychology, University of Lund, and in Practical philosophy, Stockholm University, Sweden” after adding new links. Also added “completed all Ph.D. courses and examinations, 1991”, according to the new source. Details: 2.1. Added link to certificate issued by prof Alf Andersson, Dept of Applied Psychology, Lund University, stating (Swedish): “[Marcello Ferrada-Noli] har fullgjort samtliga kurser för doktorsexamen” (“has completed all courses for the PhD”). 2.2. Added Tentamensbok (course-examinations records) issued by Prof Alf Andersson. It states, "Date 5 October 1990: All courses/examinations approved for the doctor degree" ("Samtliga kurser/prov för doktorsexamen godkända. Datum: 1990-02-05") 2.3. Added link to certificate (tentamensbok) issued by Carin Sjöman, Dept of Practical Philosophy, Stockholm University, stating (Swedish) “gödkända prov” (approved examinations) for eight courses of the doctoral program in Practical Philosophy.

3. Removed tag [citation needed] following text “Invited Professor at Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León, México,1972”, after adding source. Details: Certificate issued by Lic. Luis Sandoval Trujillo, Director of Faculty of Sociology and Social Work, Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo León, México, with copy to the Rector of the University of Concepción, Chile, Prof Edgardo Enríquez Frödden, 15 May 1972, describing the academic assignment.

4. Removed tag [citation needed] following text “full Professor of Psychosocial Methods at the University of Concepción”, after adding source: Certificate issued by Prof. Julia Delgado, head of Methods & Techniques Dept, School of Social Work, University of Concepción.

5. Removed tag [citation needed] following text “Senior Research Scientist at the Department of Clinical Neuroscience, Psychiatry Section (1997), after adding source: Certificate issued 27 November 1996 by the Department of Clinical Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute (Institutionen för klinisk neurovetenskap), stating: “Med dr Marcello Ferrada de Noli is senior research scientist, full-time, at the department of Clinical Neuroscience, Psychiatry Section”.

6. Removed tag [citation needed] following text “Professor of Health Psychology, University of Tromsø, Norway 1997”, after adding source: Certificate issued 6 October 1997 by the Institute of Psychology, Tromsø University. It states: [Ferrada-Noli] is employed as professor of heath psychology at the Institute of Psychology.

7. Removed tag [better source needed] following text: “He qualified as a full Professor of Health promotion, and as a Professor of Cross-cultural psychology, at the University of Bergen, Norway, 1999, after adding source: Certificate issued 20 March 2000 by Prof Britt-Marie Drottz Sjöberg, Head of the Section of Social and Community Psychology, NTNU University, Norway, stating: “(Prof. Marcello Ferrada-Noli) was in November 1999 evaluated by a scientific committee appointed by the University of Bergen, found qualified for a professorship in cross-cultural Psychology.”

8. Removed tag [better source needed] following text: “Professor Emeritus (title), 2007, after adding source: Diploma signed by Prof Lennart Ölund, Department Head, University of Gävle, 10 December 2007. It reads: “The University of Gävle conferred on Prof. Dr. Marcello Ferrada-Noli the title of distinction Professor Emeritus, after his retirement as Professor of Public Health Sciences specialty Epidemiology, and in value of meritorious academic services.”

9. Removed tag [better source needed] following text: “He was later appointed Affiliate Professor at the Medical Faculty, University of Chile, 2006”, after adding source: Certificate issued by the Dean of the Medical Faculty, University of Chile, Prof. Jorge Las Heras Bonetto, 14 March 2006, stating the conclusion of the Faculty’s Committee for Academic Evaluation.

10. Removed tag [original research?] placed after text: “His scholarly work has been cited in about 800 scientific articles and books”. In the first place, the sentence refers “His scholarly work”, not other. More important: A breakdown of the citations was already described in reference [8] in the previous version of the article. It gave n= 752 citations of Ferrada-Noli’s original articles in Google Scholar, added n= 62 citations in Google Books which also contain reports of his original research.

11. Removed tag [citation needed] following text “appointed by the Swedish government alternate scientific member of the Swedish Central Ethical Review Board Etikprövningsnämnd for research.”. I added reference: Certificate issued by the “Regionala Etiksprovsnämnden I Uppsala” 12 February 2007. It describes appointment done 2004 by the Swedish government as alternate scientific member of the Swedish Central Ethical Review Board for research (Etikprövningsnämnd).

12. Removed tag [original research?] placed in the context of Ferrada Noli’s analysis published by the UN Security Council. That article is not mentioned/listed under section “Academic career”. It is under section “Controversies”. And the article is a critical analysis with geopolitical content ref. procedures in a report done by an appointed panel. it is not “original research” in scientific-publication meaning.

13. I removed the tag [better source needed] following the text: “De Noli called Reporters Without Borders on Twitter to ‘publish your evidence now, or shame’”. I fail to understand what better source for that could be, if not the full text of that tweet itself. Which I had already given in reference [87] in the previous version.

Thanks

Inkerifi (talk) 02:50, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the hard work. The problem is that most of the sources are primary sources, and frequently self-published on Ferrada Noli's blog. A key principle of Wikipedia is verifiability. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_primary_sources BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:13, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the links explaining diff primary/secondary sources. Accordingly, a newspaper article is considered a suitable source for establishing academic appointments held by a professor. While a verifiable employment-document issued by authorities at the respective universities (e.g. Harvard) is not. Fine, that makes much easier for my editing, since links to mainstream outlets (newspapers with Wikipedia notability) referring Ferrada Noli’s professorships were simpler to find. And now added. (Nota Bene: I random-visited Wikipedia bio articles on American and Swedish professors. No one of those I saw have been tagged with requests for sources on the academic appointments mentioned there – as you did about the article on Ferrada de Noli – (see for example Noam Chomsky). Furthermore, in the Wikipedia article of Sweden’s foremost professor in recent times, Hans Rosling, the only source of his professor-appointment at the Karolinska Institute is that medical university’s own archive –which would a ‘primary source’). Best,

Inkerifi (talk) 11:37, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

New book and other updates

Added the book (2019) "Sweden’s Geopolitical Case Against Assange 2010-2019". I moved the academic appointment at the University of Chile's Medical School 2006, to the previous para where the other professorships in Chile are mentioned, and differentiated with the European epoch. The criticism of Ferrada de Noli to the Russian veto in the Security Council is relevant in the context, and it balances things a bid. Other minor changes, mostly cosmetic. And, after examining the content of the two Scandinavian articles given as source in an edit on 17 April by user 2018‎ 62.198.40.11 referring the Skripal case, it became clear that what is in the articles is not what is transcribed in the edit. Partly the edit referred statements attributed to De Noli as replies to the DN interview, which was not the case. The edit read: "he would have declared in an interview done with him by the newspaper [DN] April 2, 2018, that the Skripal incident could be a case of False flag in anticipating an eventual confrontation sought by the United Kingdom against Russia". But that of the "false flag" was never said by De Noli to DN. And the "confrontation" issue in another part of the interview instead referred only to (and only hypothetically) "diplomatic and/or economic". Partly the edit does not take up the central in Ferrada's replies, meaning what he insisted, repeated, in both interviews, namely that ”it was wrong to blame anyone before a proper investigation is concluded (of the Skripal case).” The interviews were done just a couple of weeks after the Salisbury incident, when the investigations were far from finished. Because of this irregularities I put away that section, and hopefully the editor/s comeback with a new suggestion. Inkerifi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)