Talk:Marian Call

Birth name issue

I would like to edit this page removing or burying the birth name for privacy purposes. The subject of the page has had privacy invasion issues (people inappropriately contacting her family members) because the distinctive birth name is so prominently displayed here, and nowhere else on the web except in the source article. The subject's legal (married) name will be substituted. I have already made these edits anonymously and they were reverted; I am attempting again logged in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enjolras14 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I reverted it because the information was already published; if Wikipedia were the only place the name were printed, then I would endorse the removal. It's arguable that the source might not be sufficiently reliable. I'll wait to see what other editors think. —C.Fred (talk) 02:41, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I would like to opine that Marian is not sufficiently notable to warrant her birth name being included in the article. See Foundation:Resolution:Biographies of living people: Taking human dignity and respect for personal privacy into account when adding or removing information, especially in articles of ephemeral or marginal interest. See also WP:NPF: Wikipedia contains biographical material on people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability. See also WP:BLPPRIVACY. -- Gridlock Joe (talk) 04:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

A few years later, agreeing with Gridlock Joe above. As Marian becomes more notable, her birth name wanes; family, friends, and fans all use Marian Call. Including the birth name on Wikipedia has a strong amplifying effect, far eclipsing the minor secondary source (an aside in a local paper). This article is then used as the source for databases and listings across the Internet. Taking respect for personal privacy into account, I recommend removing the birth name. — Chris radcliff (talk) 23:32, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

When I saw that years ago, I felt the trouble came from placing her birth name side-by-side with her birthplace at the very top of the article. If stalkers have contacted family members back in Nowheresville, USA, I would attribute that as much to the placement of that information as I would to its existence in the article. Attention spans being what they are, you could have just as easily "buried" the information by moving it around than by deleting it.

I'm a grown adult who earns a full-time living and gives of my time beyond that to help this project. Keeping the WMF's lawyers fat and happy isn't very high on my list of priorities. Neither is helping the article subject achieve their social media strategy through Wikipedia. For all intents and purposes, Gridlock Joe uses the former to justify the latter. Statements such as "include only material relevant to their notability" explains why many corners of Wikipedia are dominated by social media hit pieces and fanboy exercises.

As for Chris's comments: "As Marian becomes more notable" ??? Maybe it's because I'm traveling in different circles these days, but I've heard less and less of her the past five years. I could be out of touch with how dumbed down people are these days, but I would think that "becoming more notable" means that more people want to know who you really are, not just accepting the version written by your publicist and/or found on your official website.

I see strong indications that at least some of this activity is being done at the request of the article subject, which brings to mind the Streisand effect and the potential for such a scenario. I've also seen other strange editing activity. Wasn't there an edit which attempted (possibly succeeded?) to wipe all mention of her association with Anchorage because she's currently living in Juneau? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Assessed article

Assessed as Start-Class, mainly on account of the excess of primary sources. This could be C or B-Class in a hurry. Has anyone considered the Anchorage Daily News or Anchorage Press as sources? I really don't know what they have, but it has to be more than what's there now. Various non-commercial radio stations in Alaska MIGHT have RS-type material on their websites, especially if she made an in-studio appearance.RadioKAOS (talk) 09:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Just made a quick check in between everything else I'm doing. I found this:

• mention in Wright, Melodie (March 16, 2008). "Wheat goes live". Anchorage Daily News. p. F1.
• Henning, Sarah (April 18, 2008). "Singer-songwriter finds an Alaska self to celebrate". Anchorage Daily News. p. H5.
• mention in Smith, Dawnell (June 8, 2008). "Spenard fest tests jazz traditions". Anchorage Daily News. p. F3.
• Weiss, Gretchen (March 19, 2010). "Something for everybody". Anchorage Daily News. p. D1.
• mention in Dunham, Mike (June 20, 2010). "Creative binding". Anchorage Daily News. p. E1.
• O'Malley, Julia (December 23, 2010). "Marian Call turns tweets into 50-state tour". Anchorage Daily News. p. A3.

This search was far from comprehensive. Something's wrong with my connection or I would have had time to do more.RadioKAOS (talk) 11:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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