Talk:Marin County Civic Center attacks

The Events of August 7th

A new link to a newspaper article appears to have much more accurate information about what happened inside the courtroom. http://www.marinij.com/marin/ci_2919927 Zabadu (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Black Power movement

Could we consider this as part of the Black Power movement?Mangokeylime (talk) 01:29, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Stayhomegal (talk) 16:23, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Title

It was hardly an "incident". Let us name it "Marin County courthouse shooting", or "hijacking", "massacre" etc.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zezen (talk • contribs) 18:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

@Zezen:I agree. I have a 200,000 bytes draft of this subject that I was working on prior to the creation of this one. I was going to name it Marin County Civic Center shootout based on the majority of sources I found. I found that other sources called it Marin County courthouse shooting, Civic Center shootout, or the San Rafael shootout. -Location (talk) 03:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

lets make sure to remember to stick to neutral language , incident is more neutral than hijacking and massacre. both of those words have an extremely negative connotation and this was a liberatory action. guards were making inmates fight each other for entertainment. death. horrible and had to be stopped.

maybe incident is not the best word , surely we can think of one that improves description yet retains neutrality.

Stayhomegal (talk) 16:25, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Attack and Aftermath

The end of the Attack section and the beginning of the Aftermath section are both an absolute mess. The final paragraph of the attack section includes some (not all) of the injuries of the wounded hostages, the fact that “only one Black Panther survived”, and the fact that Judge Haley was killed by the shotgun around his neck (with vague wording implying that the shotgun didn’t kill him, but rather “discharge” from it) and was also shot either by the law enforcement or the assailants. And then, in the very next paragraph (opening paragraph of Aftermath) it details the black panthers deaths, claims that the Judge Haley was shot by Christmas, and multiple other things that should likely be included in the attack section. Can someone please clean this article up? If no one takes it up, I’ll put the effort forth, but this article is a complete mess, and needs fixing desperately. I had to re-read both sections 3 separate times and still have no clear picture of what occurred—considering this is a very well-documented event, this should NOT be the case. Thatdave (talk) 07:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

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To add to article

Background information to add to this article: why exactly did Angela Davis have four guns (including a sawed-off shotgun) in the first place? 76.190.213.189 (talk) 01:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Presumably for protection.[1] -Location (talk) 01:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Move: Civic Center => Courthouse

Reliable sources describe the location of the incident as the "courthouse" [2][3][4]

The attacks were at the "Marin County Superior Court". The larger complex is the "Civic Center". Both are accurate, but "Courthouse" is helpful both because it's more specific and because it indicates the nature of the incident. DenverCoder9 (talk) 17:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I lived very near there for years, only somewhat after the incidents; the Courthouse is part of the Marin County Civic Center building, which is iconic because of Frank Lloyd Wright, and while the incident started in the Courthouse, it extended to a building hallway, and the people were killed outside on the Civic Center grounds, so I'm satisfied with the title. But open to persuasion :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

It's a balance, you're right. "Civic Center" seems appropriate for people familiar with the building, perhaps even more literally accurate.

Perhaps I'm guilty of favoring "courthouse" because, even if slightly less (or equally) accurate, for clarity/readability. For people to whom the phrase "Marin Civic Center" means nothing, "courthouse shooting" or "courthouse attack" immediately captures the gist of what occurred: a dispute about a sentence, a judge taken hostage. I suspect this is why newspapers went with this for their national audience—a reader understands the context of a "courthouse attack".

Perhaps we'll leave the discussion up, since this is hardly the most pressing issue. DenverCoder9 (talk) 21:02, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you make good points ... let's give it time, maybe someone else will show up to break the tie ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)