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Untitled

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

What is Marina's softer approach? --maxrspct ping me 00:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

running for 2012

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Marine Le Pen is running for the 2012 French presidential race, this should be mentioned. A lot of French voters have faith in her after being disenchanted with Sarkozy Her dad, Jean marie, is getting old, and is probably not running, nevertheless it would be interesting to know if he would get more votes than his daughter, in case he was still running — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.25.114.81 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Strange brackets

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

What's with all of the weird brackets? They resemble greater-/lesser-than signs, and always occur in pairs around materials that seem to be pseudoneutral (i.e. tipped too far towards the positive in order to avoid being a negative). At least one of the phrases/sentences contained in such brackets are completely unrelated to the section they are in.

They make the article appear a little confused and sort of rambling -- as if a person with multiple personalities was suddenly switching between the two as they wrote, before switching back to continue.

Could someone explain their presence and/or intended purpose? Otherwise, I would move for their complete removal, as they serve to no apparent effect and only decrease confidence in the article (to speak as a first-time reader of it). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.146.135 (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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anti-gay

Latest comment: 11 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

Why do anti-gay policies keep getting scrubbed from conservative politicians Wiki pages? I noticed it's happening a lot for American politicians also. Embarrassed? 174.58.138.200 (talk) 14:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

probably because its not terribly relevant unless you have an axe to grind. for myself i notice in this article its always "Le Pen claims this" and "Le Pen claims that" as though we are supposed to disbelieve her "claims". its the usual trick of someone with a bias and is to be expected here at WP. check an Al Gore page and see if his unsubstantiated claims about global warming/climate change are pointed out thusly. WP is a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.39.3.91 (talk) 06:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

"Not terribly relevant?" Really? Singling out a segment of the population and excluding them from key rights isn't relevant? I think you're the one with an axe to grind. Rotwang Daedalus (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I must protest the singling out of people who expectorate in public. In many cases, they are excluded from employment and housing. Such discrimination cannot be supported in our modern age.173.61.94.121 (talk) 17:12, 3 July 2013 (UTC)Hans Wurst

retouched photo ?

Recent candid photos of this politician are far less flattering.

How was the photo chosen ?


The left eye outer corner appear to reveal extensive plastic surgeries in some public media videos.


Is this photo from a political campaign or from open media source ?

G. Robert Shiplett 21:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

New proposal of introduction

Latest comment: 10 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I suggest to clean the introduction because of some anecdotic elements (functions in the FN structure, family links developed in the infobox, ideological differences with her father evoked again in the section "ideology",...). I suggest :

Marine Le Pen (French pronunciation: [ma.ʁin lə.pɛn]; born Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen, 5 August 1968 in Neuilly-sur-Seine, Hauts-de-Seine) is a French lawyer and politician.

Involved in the National Front since 1986, she held many local terms, being a regional councillor in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais (1998-2004 and since 2010) and also in Île-de-France (2004-2010), and also a municipal councillor at Hénin-Beaumont (2008-2011). She has been a Member of the European Parliament since July 2004 for the constituencies of Île-de-France (2004-2009) then of North-West (since 2009). On 16 January 2011, she was elected the second president of the National Front with 67.65% (11.546 votes) facing Bruno Gollnisch during the congress in Tours, succeeding to her father Jean-Marie Le Pen. Described as a significantly more democratic and republican presence than her nationalist father, she led her party in a « de-demonization ». A candidate to the 2012 French presidential election, she finished third behind François Hollande and incumbent President Nicolas Sarkozy, polling 17.90% (6.421.426 votes), the highest score of a FN candidate in such an election.

On 21 April 2011, she was ranked the 71st most influential person in the 2011 Time 100.[1]

I have to think about that, but it seems good at first glance.
I would suggest saying « is a French politician and lawyer. », because she's much more famous for being a politician than a lawyer.
Cheers, Thouny(talk), on 11:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

As you like. But I put it in first because she has been first a lawyer and later a politician... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.113.147.162 (talk) 13:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, that makes sense, too. And I don't think it really matters, so I'll just go along with your version.
Thouny(talk), on 07:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
PS : Please think to sign your messages with four tildes (~~~~), it makes it more easy to follow the conversation.

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  1. ^ "The 2011 Time 100 : full list". Time. 21 April 2011. Retrieved 24 April 2012.

terror propaganda?

Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

if this is terror propaganda for ISIL for who terror is Jesus on Cross ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.209.78.211 (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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Expelled?

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I don't think this article has taken into account that Jean-Marie has won a case to stay on in the National Front. That is, he is not really "expelled". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-le-pen-idUSKBN13C1ZG?il=0 --109.77.108.243 (talk) 02:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Propaganda

Latest comment: 7 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

I think this article, particularly the section about relations w/ Russian and Ukraine, amounts to pro-Le Pen propaganda. This section parrots the lies of Russia and Le Pen regarding Crimea and Ukraine without providing the facts. There is no evidence to support her contention that the US subjugated Ukraine. But we do know Russia invaded Crimea and held the Crimea referendum for annexation after the invasion. Therefore the referendum was illegal and illegitimate, counter to her claims. Does neutrality amount to repeating her falsehoods without elucidation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wnemirow (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 04:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Le Pen is a far-right politician with views aligned with authoritarian Russia. You would not know that reading this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.128.87.119 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:05, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

If you take issue with the contents of the article, I suggest that you take issue with the article's primary contributor, Jeromemoreno – who, needless to say, has a conflict of interest, to a certain degree, as a regular contributor to a pro-FN site. While the article seems satisfactorily neutral – in my own view – it does seem a notable omission that its primary contributor has scrupulously avoided using the term "far-right", an apparent reflection of the official position of the FN. However, I don't agree with the edits you made regarding her views on Russia, which seem like deliberate POV-pushing: "propagates the conspiracy theory", "repeatedly assert the falsehood that the Russian annexation of Crimea was legal", etc. Furthermore, the addition of the following:

Western governments point out that the vote for the referendum took place during Russian occupation of the Crimea, a fact that likely explains why 95% of voters in Crimea voted for annexation. The British government has described the referendum as "farcical" and "illegitimate."

seems to constitute a breach of relative neutrality; what, for instance, is the point of noting the position of the British government in an article about Le Pen – and also pushing the view of Western governments regarding the illegal Crimean referendum? Furthermore, I'm of the view that any references, or comparisons, to Trump are completely irrelevant to this article outside the scope of FN being a far-right party. For instance, this addition

Her defense of Putin and Russia is very similar to that of Donald Trump's. In a response to a Fox commentator's assertion that Putin "is a killer," Donald Trump rejoined "[w]hat do you think? Our country's so innocent?"

should have no place in an article about Le Pen. It's well-known that politicians of both the far-right and far-left tend to be aligned rather closely on views regarding the Russian government, and therefore should not come as a surprise that Le Pen's position is similar to Trump's. Personally, I'm not at all a fan of drawing comparisons between European politicians and Sanders/Trump – seems rather unencyclopedic and takes an overtly Anglo-centric view of European politics.


Mélencron (talk) 05:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree many of my changes are indefensible (particularly my language and the comparisons to Trump). I was affected by recent news. But, still seems necessary to point out although Le Pen says the Crimea vote was legitimate, the referendum took place after Crimea was occupied by Russian troops. The figure of 95% voting in support of annexation is extremely suspicious. It seems farcical to me to invade a country and then have a "vote" on annexation. I don't know how else to view that. Moreover, there is no evidence to support her assertion that the US government had any influence on Ukraine election, whatsoever. Why should the article repeat those Le Pen & Russian falsehoods without correction? Also I saw no mention of the fact that French intelligence agencies believe the Russian government has/and will help her with propaganda, trolls, bots and Wikileaks. That's a big deal.

And yes, the article should delve into the controversy surrounding her hard-right positions.

I don't know how to take up an issue with [User:Jeromemoreno|Jeromemoreno]]. Seems problematic contributor to FN is primary source of article.

This article is written in neutral sounding language like RT, but is decidedly pro-Le Pen.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.128.87.119 (talk • contribs) 06:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

gays living in "sensible" neighbourhoods

Latest comment: 7 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

The article has a sentence " In her speech in Lyon on 10 December 2010, she mentioned the fate of gays living in sensible neighbourhoods, victims of religious laws replacing the republican law." What is the French word that is being translated "sensible"? I am sure that is not what she really said. The article generally is noticeably not written by native English speakers and needs a lot of attention to make it read naturally and idiomatically in English, but that is a particularly egregious error. If gays were living in "sensible" neighbourhoods they would not be victims of religious laws.Smeat75 (talk) 22:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

So is she gay? I don't understand the issue. Is that what you're saying? 98.194.39.86 (talk) 20:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

this is a classic mistranslation: she said of course "sensitive" neighbourhoods. 83.112.248.66 (talk) 06:39, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Twitter inquisition

Latest comment: 7 years ago7 comments4 people in discussion

Does anyone have the patience and/or French proficiency to find the "violent images" postings on Twitter that she was stripped of immunity about, or archives thereof? We should at least link them. Really, I'd like to see a Fair Use image. I don't think she'd mind, plus I'd love the chance to show why a person or an encyclopedia could still be proud to be an American. ;) Wnt (talk) 21:22, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

You think we should show the images that Le Pen may be prosecuted for showing? I know Wikipedia isn't censored but I see no reason to do that as we already describe them. TFD (talk) 01:13, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
The three photos she posted: crushed by a tank, burned in a cage, and beheaded. Not going to post them, for obvious reasons. Mélencron (talk) 01:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Not at all obvious. The nature of the photos is the center of controversy; so let the readers see. A classical example is Phan Thi Kim Phuc. If you're going to tell me it is genuinely 'wrong' to post the photos, it does not seem like you can be very objective toward Le Pen, no? Wnt (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
The subject of this article is Marine Le Pen, not a man being burned in a cage. (And by "not going to post them," I was referring to posting a link to them on the talk page.) Mélencron (talk) 02:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
I see nothing wrong with linking them here. Twitter provides a barrier as well. 1, 2, and the third one was deleted (by Le Pen) after the family of James Foley (journalist) (the subject of the photograph) spoke out (screenshots of the tweet are all over the Internet - just search "#Daesh c'est ÇA !"). I link them for the mere fact that a request was made to find them. I still think it's wrong to include it in the article, because Wikipedia prefers not to use primary sources, and a direct citation linking to Twitter would likely get removed quickly because Twitter is not a reliable source (for being user-generated - although I see it on par with press releases). --BurritoBazooka Talk Contribs 19:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Also, even when covering these events, we tend not to include photographs (taken by ISIL or anyone else) about what they did until later. Wikipedia might decide to include them a few years later, when it has become an historic event (like Phan Thi Kim Phuc, or the Ghouta chemical attack, or Halabja chemical attack which was deemed a copyright violation in 2015). --BurritoBazooka Talk Contribs 20:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Whitewashing alert: Changing "illegal immigrants" to "undocumented immigrants"

Latest comment: 7 years ago17 comments5 people in discussion

This attempted change is not sourced and "undocumented" is too vague and benign a term for an encyclopedia. Undocumented could mean a legal immigrant who lost their immigration documents and the former "illegal" adjective more accurately defines the group's difference from legal immigrants. Yes, there is a lot of inaccurate usage of the word "immigrants" to include both legal and illegal immigrants but I do not think we want to join that misrepresentation of implying there is no difference....many legal immigrants, who went through the effort and line up to become legal do not want to be thrown into the same linguistic basket as illegal immigrants, imo. No whitewashing on Wikipedia, please. Nocturnalnow (talk) 16:35, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

This is simply decided by the most common usage in reliable sources. That's it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
ok, do you think undocumented is the most common usage? I guess I should use a yahoo exact phrase search...hold on. 2,500,000 "illegal immigrants" and 1,320,000 "undocumented immigrants" Nocturnalnow (talk) 17:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
You are using the etymological fallacy. I could reply that no whitewashing is going on because no physical whitewash has been applied to this article. But if you want to explore the meanings of the words used in the term, not all of them are immigrants, since that implies a desire to permanently reside in France and not all of them are illegal, since refuges have a legal right to remain. We do not chose our terms based on yahoo searches, but on usage in reliable sources. "Illegal immigrant" is a term used by anti-immigration activists, not mainstream writers. TFD (talk) 18:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
That section has a tag that it's based on one source. It had one source on February 15. I looked at the one source ([1]) and though I don't know French and don't trust Google I don't think that resume has a thing about defending immigrants. Per BLP I nuked the sentence on sight, for now. Perhaps the line is true but give it an inline source --- and use whatever term that source uses. Wnt (talk) 21:17, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
"undocumented immigrants" is America-centric. This is an article about a European subject so European terminology should be used. Everyone in France is required by law to carry identity documentation at all times, so just not being able to produce documentation when asked means you are "undocumented" and you then need to produce identity documentation at a police station within a set time (I think it is 48 hours) or be arrested - it has nothing to do with migrants being legal or illegal and most illegal migrants will have identification documentation. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 04:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
You really need to stop following my edits around and trying to pick fights. You've already gotten, what, two? blocks for that behavior. Not enough or something? Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:39, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
If you look at my editing history you will find that I have in the past directed edits at the issues of Immigration into Europe, in particular France. Have you edited in this subject area? However, I admit to being curious about how the subject of this article fits into your wider pov. Is Marine Le Pen Putin's secret lover, or Trump's and thus by implication Putin's too? Or is it the opposite and she is in your eyes the bulwark to stop the spread of all those Reds/Russians under the bed that you crusade against? It was much easier when all you did was on Eastern European articles! A more reasonable explanation is that you are here only because you were following the edits of someone. On the particular issue here, I think this content is not notable and is probably there to just for effect. Lawyers do a wide variety of work, it would only be significant if Le Pen in her role as a lawyer had refused to do work related to defending illegal immigrants. Remove the content and this argument about terminology is mute. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:37, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are rambling on about with that "bulwark" and "crusade" stuff, but it is pretty obvious that you are just extending your pattern of making personal attacks. And you are pretty much admitting - with your "I betcha you followed someone here too!" attempt at deflection - that you are indeed following my edits around and trying to pick fights. Which already got you blocked twice in the past.Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
In response to your accusation that I unreasonably followed you here, I was exploring the reason why you are here, in an article you have never edited before on a subject you have never shown interest in before. You arrive and restore an undiscussed IP editor's edit, an edit that was done just after another IP edit with the highly pov edit summary "Le Pen is Pro Putin and Pro Russia and this section should reflect that and not try to hide the truth. She supports the Russian dictator Putin". Is the explanation that you check every article edit that mentions Putin? I came here because I was concerned that you might be here to add Putin-phobia where it has no place to be. However, I am posting here, in a subject area I have edited in the past, because I think "undocumented immigrants" is an inappropriate Americanism for this article, not "to pick a fight" because you have said undocumented immigrants is acceptable. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 17:45, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
I came here because the damn thing is on my watch list. You, on the other hand, are admitting that you only showed up here to engage in WP:STALK. Please stop trying to "police" my edits. You have already been blocked twice for harassment. You need a longer break or something? Volunteer Marek (talk) 21:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
The French term is Étranger en situation irrégulière which translates as a "Foreigner in an irregular situation." The term sans-papiers ("without papers" or "undocumented") is also used. Somehow the first term doesn't sound right in English. TFD (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
But they will still be documented in the sense of having identification papers - they will have got those on arrival in the EU. This is in contrast to the US usage - there the "undocumented" refers to an undocumented entry into the territory of the US. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:42, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
That is the etymological fallacy, the insistence that terms must mean exactly what the underlying terms mean. So some editors argue we should not use terms such as anti-Semitism, because Semites include Arabs. But if you want to go down that road, not all illegal immigrants are illegal or immigrants, since some may have a legal yet not yet proved right to asylum, and some may not intend to reside permananently (i.e., until they die) in Franch, which is the meaning of immigrant. However, none of them have valid immigration documents. In any case, Wikipedia articles should use generally accepted terminology. TFD (talk) 22:27, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
You have no idea what immigration cases Marine Le Pen worked on, so you can make no claims about whether any of her cases related to "a legal yet not yet proved right to asylum" or make any such specific claims. In addition, if you had properly looked at what I wrote, at no time did I express support for the phrase "illegal immigrants", I am objecting to the use of "undocumented immigrants" because it is an America-centric term used to described the way things work in America, and so should not be used here. I've said I don't think the material is significant enough to be in the article, but if you think it should remains, why not propose alternative wording that avoids the whole issue, such as just "cases involving the residence status of immigrants". Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:20, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Another editor has removed the content as being unreferenced [2];[[3]] - it cannot be returned without references, so continuing this discussions is pointless unless that happens. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 18:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
I mentioned this above, and I should add what I'd think would have been obvious: whoever finds a source using whichever term they prefer gets to have it in the article, at least until the opponent finds a couple of sources with the other. Wikipedia is, above all, a source hunt. Wnt (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

No mention of her criminal trial

Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Zero information on the fact that she was charged with criminal free speech. Supposedly the criminal trial was scheduled for October 2015 and she faced serious prison time. Not a single mention of this on Wiki? WTF? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.240.222 (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I think whats more 'WTF' worthy is that the world is moving towards criminalizing free speech and instituting thought crime laws. --108.173.10.201 (talk) 06:20, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

fascism

Latest comment: 7 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

I live in France and am very familiar with French political life. Abouthalf of the French consider Marine Le Pen to be a fascist. Links of her party with openly fascits groups are an open secret. It is not encyclopediac for the questions of fascism not to be included in this article 83.112.248.66 (talk) 06:38, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

It would be far more unencyclopedic to include uncited political rhetoric. WP:NPOV WP:VERIFY WP:BLP --BurritoBazooka Talk Contribs 06:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
More importantly, possibly violate our policy on living people. El_C 06:46, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
It would be far more encyclopedic to include discussions of Le Pen's reception in France, including the reception by fascist groups. Ignoring factual, verifiable information is not good strategy for encyclopedia. Jk180 (talk) 13:58, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

note: "A bit promotional"

Latest comment: 7 years ago9 comments9 people in discussion

Hi, there was a comment made about this article at the blpn, claiming the article is a bit promotional. Off2riorob (talk) 14:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Definitely it is. There are assertions about Le Pen's popularity etc. which are sourced to National Front press releases and to patriot/nationalist sites which don't appear to be reliable sources. Article needs a lot of work and I will try to give it some more attention in the days to come.Jonathanwallace (talk) 15:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
SHe achieved 20 percent of the national vote, which wasn't far behind the two candidates with the most votes, so this criticism at least has been disproven, and comes across as anti-Front National, in my opinion. 150.101.154.184 (talk) 08:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Obvious conflict of interest involving the main contributor of the page. See: Moreno, Jérôme (2011-03-10). "Nations Presse Info - Jérôme Moreno - Archives de l'Auteur". Nationspresse.info. Archived from the original on 2011-03-10. Retrieved 2011-03-10. °°Playmobilonhishorse (talk) 11:19, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Like indicated by Playmobilonhishorse, I regularly contribute on the website Nations Presse Info where I post Marine Le Pen's press releases from the Front National's website. I do not earn any money to do such actions. About the article, I try to keep at best a Neutral Point Of View and relate facts with simple words. On February 2011, I read again the whole article and removed some promotional words like "constructive". Since I have nothing to hide, I voluntarily keep the same username on Nations Presse Info and here on wikipedia (cf my talk page). --15:32, 10 March 2011 (UTC) User talk:Jeromemoreno
More than just a bit promotional — the article reads like campaign materials. And Mr. Moreno appears to be more or less continually updating the page. The entire article is in need of a serious overhaul. Threepwolfe (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
The bit on the middle east and Libya, only bit I looked at, is certainly just a mouthing of her opinions, and what she 'notices' - it is just a press release this kind of thing. Mr Morono's work sans doute. Sayerslle (talk) 19:38, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

More than a year after people started expressing concerns, and the article still reads like a press release. Rotwang Daedalus (talk) 08:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Five years later, this article still reads like a press release. It uses charged language in talking about the new style of the FN, such as "de-demonization," "soften," and "humanize," for example, when it would be just as accurate to say "normalize" or "repackage." Jk180 (talk) 14:04, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Egyptian Great-Grandmother

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In a recent speech ahead of the April '17 election, she expressed her sadness for the tragic Jihadist attacks on the Coptic Egyptians during Palm Sunday celebrations in Egypt. She went on to mention that her Great-Grandmother, Pauline, was a Coptic Christian from Egypt. The link: http://www.lci.fr/elections/video-pour-son-meeting-de-paques-perpignan-marine-le-pen-invoque-son-arriere-grand-mere-copte-d-egypte-2045096.html This ought to be added to the article. Thanks. SP 04.20.17 08:18PM PST — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoccerPapa (talk • contribs) 03:19, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Le Pen and the mosques

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According to the BBC and this French source, Le Pen didn't ask the closure of all mosques but only of islamist mosques. As it's a sensitive subject, I think it's important to correct that

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38220690 http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/cazeneuve-replique-a-le-pen-et-fillon-sur-la-securite-aed8e1800253322cf3d39517c8f62a85

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Le Pen to redirect

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I suggest that it would be appropriate at this time for the disambiguation page Le Pen to be moved to Le Pen (disambiguation), and for the short title Le Pen to redirect to Marine Le Pen. --76.71.6.254 (talk) 23:23, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Leader of the NF/FN

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Does this mean that she is now an independent candidate? i.e. can we update the 'political party' on her infobox, or has she not completely renounced her party membership. Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 21:59, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

She is still the party's candidate, she is simply not currently the leader of the party. As I understand it, that will only be the case until the election is over. 331dot (talk) 22:00, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

"upcoming election"

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In the lede it says the 'upcoming election' with an internal link. I cannot find the appropriate policy to link but I'm certain this is not how articles are supposed to be written. They are not supposed to be written referring to things as if they are happening now. It's supposed to be in an encyclopedic past tense. As for how to re-word this correctly, I'm not sure, which is why I came here instead of trying. Isenta (talk) 06:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps the "upcoming" could be removed, and it would simply state that she was participating in the election, which she has been doing for some time. 331dot (talk) 07:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
'She participated in' I believe would be the proper way. I noticed there is also this: "and will face Emmanuel Macron". Should be something like 'she won the right to face...'. Isenta (talk) 07:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Split section on political positions

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This article is massive. I would suggest splitting out the very long and detailed section on LePen's political positions into a new article, a la Political positions of Donald Trump, Political positions of Pat Buchanan, Political positions of Jeremy Corbyn etc. And leave a summary section here. Does anyone object to that? Jdcooper (talk) 08:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I would agree with a split, the article is far too long. Thanks for highlighting this. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 09:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Ok! I figure the case for splitting is obvious but let's give it a couple more days as it does represent a major change. I have time to do it on Sunday if no-one objects.. Jdcooper (talk) 11:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't object. Many articles about politicians have their political positions in a separate article. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
We could try, however, to keep a short summary of Le Pen's political positions in the main article. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

"Israel still holds a bad opinion of her party."

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Metonymy un-sourced. Meir Simchah (talk) 07:34, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

There are two sources at the end of that sentence, the second doesn't mention Israel and the first is paywalled so I can't check. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 07:53, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
That whole section is full of Original research and unsourced info. I've been trying to copyedit the whole article and I'll get to that one as soon as I can! Please write here anything else you think is dubious and someone can remove it. Jdcooper (talk) 08:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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National Front color

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There is currently a push for replacing dark blue with grey for the National Front. A discussion has been started on the template page after I asked. Everyone is welcome to give their opinion there as well. Template talk:National Front (France)/meta/color--Aréat (talk) 22:04, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

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