Talk:Marmaduke–Walker duel

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:10, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that all charges against John S. Marmaduke for killing a fellow Confederate general in a duel later dropped? Source: LeMasters 2002
  • ALT1: ... that two Confederate generals fought an illegal duel in 1863? Source: Sherwood 1947

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cello Sonata (Foulds)

Moved to mainspace by Hog Farm (talk). Self-nominated at 03:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC).

• Hi Hog Farm, what an excellent subject for an article! Review follows: article moved to mainspace 1 November; article exceeds minimum length and is well written (and will almost certainly pass its upcoming GAN); citations are inline throughout and to reliable (mainly offline) sources; I didn't find any issue with overly close paraphrasing from the two online sources; hooks are interesting and mentioned in the article, ALT0 is cited offline but also backed up by the Encyclopedia of Arkansas article which I can access, ALT1 is confirmed by the EoA; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me. One non-DYK query, could you clarify what unit Marmaduke was commanding at Helena? I couldn't work it out from the article - Dumelow (talk) 08:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dumelow and Hog Farm: the main hook seems to me as awkward in structure - it make it sound like the duel was later dropped. How about a slight re-arrangement, like this? — Maile (talk) 23:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

• • ALT2... that all charges were later dropped against John S. Marmaduke for his killing of a fellow Confederate general in a duel?

I think the awkward in the original hook was because it should have been

• • • ALT3 * ... that all charges against John S. Marmaduke for killing a fellow Confederate general in a duel were later dropped?

I'm fine with either ALT2 or ALT3. Hog Farm _Talk 23:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I like ALT3, better than what I wrote - so I've struck ALT2. — Maile (talk) 23:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think I must have added the missing “were” into alt0 in my head. Striking it - Dumelow (talk) 23:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Giving a tick to Alt3. — Maile (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Promoter's comment: look him in the eye, aim no higher / summon all the courage you require, then count! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 02:10, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

ALT3 to T:DYK/P4

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Marmaduke–Walker duel/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zawed (talk · contribs) 08:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Comments to follow in next couple of days. Zawed (talk) 08:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, took a bit longer than anticipated to get to this. Pretty tight and tidy, comments as follows: Lead

• ...friends resulted in a duel, which resulted in Walker...: suggest rephrasing so as to avoid the repeated usage of "resulted"
  • Done

Background

• where he was wounded. While this wound caused him...: suggest rephrasing to avoid close usage of wound. How about "where he was wounded. This cause him..."
  • Done
• Marmaduke's report blamed Walker on his failure to capture the his objective.: "the objective" or "his objective"?
  • Removed the "the"

The duel

• and sent the cavalry forces of both Marmaduke and Walker to observe and interfere with Union movements.: suggest tweaking this to emphasise that they were working independently at this point. I think that would better set up the fact that Marmadule was placed under Walker's command later on.
  • Tweaked
• and left Marmaduke's men alone; Marmaduke came close to capture as a result.: perhaps replace alone with isolated? Suggest rephrasing to drop the second instance of Marmaduke here, his name is mentioned three times in one sentence.
  • Rejigged
• burned the bridge of the Bayou Meto River.: bridge of or bridge across?
  • Across. Corrected
• Walker neither came nor replied. Angered by Walker, Marmaduke...: suggest "Walker neither came nor replied, which angered Marmaduke. He..."
  • Done
• planning to resign if not transferred;: suggest "planning to resign if his request was declined;"
  • Done
• Either Walker[16] or Crocket: Not sure this is the best phrasing. Presumably the sources aren't clear on who made and received the actual challenge. I suggest something like: It is not clear whether their respective intermediaries were involved in passing it on, but Walker issued a challenge for a duel which was accepted by Marmaduke, despite... " and then have cites 16 and 17 at the end of the sentence.
  • I've reworked this here significantly

Sources

• place of publisher for Welsh?
  • Added (Kent, Ohio)

Other stuff

• Dupe links: Theophilus Holmes, brigade, second (duel)
  • Removed these
• Image tags look OK.
  • I've actually strengthened the licensing for the Walker image by providing better proof of publishing before 1926
• Not a GA issue, but I notice this is only in a couple of cats; can it be placed in a few more?
  • Done, I've had difficulties coming up with cats for this one

Looks good otherwise. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

• • @Zawed: Thanks for the review! I think I've got all these replied to. Hog Farm _Talk 04:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
    • @Zawed: - Just making sure you saw the replies. Hog Farm _Talk 16:57, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

• Looks good to me, passing as GA as I believe it meets the necessary criteria. Good work. Zawed (talk) 10:41, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

User interface error with gallery template

When viewing the page from the mobile site with a screen width less than 720 pixels, a user interface error occurs where the photos of the two men overlap with the section headings. This also occurs for the first edit featuring the photos. The photos seem to use the Gallery template

Found on Chrome, Edge, Firefox using desktop, Safari using mobile.

Styracen (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I saw the same thing. Maybe a <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> tag would solve it? jengod (talk) 02:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Here's what it looks like:

Featured article formatting on mobile issue 2023-09-05

jengod (talk) 05:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Should've gotten it with a template change. Any updates on yall's end? Earth8845 (talk) 12:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

It looks fixed on my phone! Thanks so much Earth8845. jengod (talk) 14:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone above for getting this cleaned up. Hog Farm _Talk 13:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

For your consideration

NEW: List of Confederate duels

Been meaning to research this since I encountered Alfred M. Rhett but this fine article pushed it up my to-do list. Keep up the good work. jengod (talk) 02:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Great article

@Hog Farm: —Thanks for creating and building a great article to FA status. If permissible, I'm hoping you'll keep this award on this talk page for a few days before moving it to your user page.

		The Original Barnstar
		Awarded to: User Hog Farm for a well written and extremely interesting history article, the Marmaduke–Walker duel, involving one of the finer and often unnoticed episodes in American Civil War history. Keep up the great work! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, many thanks to the several other editors who contributed to the promotion of this Featured Article. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)