Talk:May 9 riots
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Heavy Bias and Disinformation Present in This Article
editHi @Ainty Painty:. If you continue to vandalize this article by spreading disinformation through repeatedly biasing the narrative and censoring information because you find it offensive, you too can also be blocked from editing. You did not need to PM me about this; this conversation could have happened here.
This article contains many, many unreliable sources and reads as though every single detail is known, and also reads as a plan that is to be carried out, or is being carried out, by the Pakistan Army and government.
Bias: "The May 9 riots or 9/5 riots were a series of violent incidents that took place on 9 May 2023, in Pakistan. "
Reality: These were not riots. Rather, they were peaceful protests whereby the Pakistan Army and the police responded by firing tear gas and live bullets onto unarmed protestors, killing many including children, abducting and torturing PTI political workers, protestors, and journalists, breaking into the homes of protestors and PTI political workers without warrant. Your renaming of the article from "Protests" to "Riots" shows you are attempting to spread a false narrative.
Sources:
- https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistans-imran-khan-openly-accuses-military-trying-destroy-his-party-2023-06-04/
- https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2023/06/08/pakistans-meddling-army-is-trying-to-silence-imran-khan
- https://redacted.inc/pakistan-on-edge/
- https://news.yahoo.com/repeated-arrests-filthy-cells-inside-072028767.html
- https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/20/pakistan-mass-arrests-target-political-opposition
Bias: "Following the arrest of the party's head, Imran Khan, from the grounds of the Islamabad High Court"
Reality: Imran Khan was illegally arrested. This sentence glazes over this as if it wasn't illegal.
Sources:
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65561807
- https://redacted.inc/pakistan-on-edge/
- https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/11/asia/imran-khan-arrest-illegal-pakistan-supreme-court-gbr-intl/index.html
Bias: "The government, under the direction of Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah, claimed to have proof of Khan's participation and accused him of being the mastermind behind the assaults."
Reality: There is zero evidence for Rana's claims and the sources you have provided neither back up Rana's claims too.
Bias: "The PTI-organized protests descended into violence, causing extensive havoc and damage. Arson, vandalism, and assaults on governmental and military facilities were committed by protesters. Anti-terrorism legislation was used, and numerous prosecutions were filed against those responsible for the riots."
Reality: As opposed to the actual reality of the Pakistan Army and police firing tear gas and live bullets onto unarmed protestors, killing many including children, abducting and torturing PTI political workers, protestors, and journalists, breaking into the homes of protestors and PTI political workers without warrant?
Sources:
- https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistans-imran-khan-openly-accuses-military-trying-destroy-his-party-2023-06-04/
- https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2023/06/08/pakistans-meddling-army-is-trying-to-silence-imran-khan
- https://redacted.inc/pakistan-on-edge/
- https://news.yahoo.com/repeated-arrests-filthy-cells-inside-072028767.html
- https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/20/pakistan-mass-arrests-target-political-opposition
Bias: "Over a thousand people have reportedly been arrested in connection with the rioting on May 9 in Lahore alone, according to reports from the Punjab Police. According to reports, 5,615 alleged rioters were detained across Punjab. Numerous cases were reported to the police, the bulk of which were covered by anti-terrorism regulations. The most severely afflicted cities were Lahore, Rawalpindi, Sargodha, Gujranwala, Faisalabad, and Multan, with variable numbers of cases reported in each place.[8][9][10]"
Reality: "Many of these arrests were illegal, and most were abducted and tortured, as opposed to being kidnapped.
Sources:
- https://news.yahoo.com/repeated-arrests-filthy-cells-inside-072028767.html
- https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/20/pakistan-mass-arrests-target-political-opposition
Bias: "The administration attempted to transfer a number of cases to military courts for trial due to the seriousness of the crimes committed during the May 9 riots. Four accused people involved in targeting defense sites had their transfer allowed by an anti-terrorism court in Faisalabad, while eight accused people involved in the attack on the General Headquarters (GHQ) had their transfer granted by an ATC in Rawalpindi. Additionally, the commanding officer received 16 suspects, among them an ex-PTI Member of the Provincial Assembly (MPA), who was charged with looting and vandalizing Jinnah House in Lahore."
Reality: Human rights organizations have condemned the Pakistan Army's use of military courts.
Again, many parts of this article go into too much detail, which makes the whole article reading as a plan and gives the notion that many points are fabricated in order to promote a narrative. Many of the linked sources are unreliable too.
Furthermore, it rather shows you are being offended by the truth by your censoring of many facts and the promotion of a false narrative. HuntTheTruth (talk) 09:14, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hello HuntTheTruth. Please use WP:RM - don't move it yourself. BookishReader (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- The current title of this article is disinformation and intends to spread a narrative, hence the change. HuntTheTruth (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- That's why I recommend to bring it to WP:NPOV noticeboard with evidence. BookishReader (talk) 12:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- The current title of this article is disinformation and intends to spread a narrative, hence the change. HuntTheTruth (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @BookishReader. You state that I change this article without any discussion. Why don't you discuss the changes here, then? You're not solving things by saying that changes are happening without discussion, when you yourself are not partaking in any discussion. HuntTheTruth (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- You've posted "Bias", "Reality" but where are sources to backup your claims? Please now onwards use Wikipedia:Edit requests option. Someone will review and then edit it for you. I'm away, so I'm unavailable for in-depth discussion. BookishReader (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- The sources are clearly listed above.
- You have again failed to discuss why my changes are wrong and why my sources are unreliable. HuntTheTruth (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- You've posted "Bias", "Reality" but where are sources to backup your claims? Please now onwards use Wikipedia:Edit requests option. Someone will review and then edit it for you. I'm away, so I'm unavailable for in-depth discussion. BookishReader (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
The mfs are definitely on pay from facists to keep the truth away from public.
editImma make a new page and change the whole demographic of 9th may. 2404:3100:1891:F228:1:0:DD3E:D83A (talk) 10:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2023
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Several changes have been made to this page which shows only the POV of government and not the opposition. This hinders the right to true information of public. Therefore, i ask for an edit to be made written by me and supported by many references. This page is currently posing a political candidate as a terrorist. This mist be change. The whole story needs be known. Benadry (talk) 10:24, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Benadry Thanks for your interest in WP:NPOV. Please do read above notice once again. To request a change in protected articles one need to make request in specific way some thing like
Change this sentence
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to this new sentence
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- If any content change request is disputed issue among editors then one needs to achieve WP:consensus through WP:DR process. One can make further assistance request at WP:Teahouse . I hope this helps. Bookku (talk) 10:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2023
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The second sentence is awkward because "the party" is not clearly unexplained. Please change it from
Following the arrest of the party's head, Imran Khan, from the grounds of the Islamabad High Court, demonstrations held by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) supporters
to
Imran Khan, head of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) political party, was arrested from the grounds of the Islamabad High Court, and party members' demonstrations descended
I'm not sure what "from the grounds of the Islamabad High Court" means (was he arrested on the premises?), so I'm not suggesting any changes for that. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Partly done: I rephrased, but in a way that maintained the sentence's focus on the subsequent demonstrations. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 04:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2023
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In the Media Censorship section, there seems to have been someone adding the following:
"Imran khan was accused of brain-washing the masses with lies and fake new for his own benefit by blaming the Pakistani army. Even though Imran khan has failed to prove any of these allegations. He was accused of trying to hide his mistakes during his tenure and the downfall of economy, he came up with a new conspiracy theory to avoid losing his vote-bank."
This does not have any citation, contains improper grammar, and is arguably false propaganda. Please remove those sentences without a replacement. 50.234.189.37 (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Questionable Arrest: Legal and Ethical Concerns
editThe recent arrest of Imran Khan during a court session—specifically at the time of biometric verification—raises significant legal and ethical questions. Such an arrest, conducted without prior court permission, is questionable. Furthermore, the legality of arresting someone in connection with cases involving the FBR or the Election Commission has been called into question.
It is essential to highlight that Chief Justice of Pakistan has indicated that Imran Khan will be released at the next hearing. The individual who ordered this arrest appears either to have misunderstood the legal framework or to be acting under the influence of Rana Sanaullah and the Establishment. This incident suggests a troubling disregard for established legal procedures and due process. Salmanmosvi (talk) 07:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)