Talk:McDonald v. City of Chicago

Latest comment: 3 years ago by No such user in topic Requested move 23 July 2021

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The doctrine of incorporation concerns whether provisions of the Bill of Rights are "incorporated into" the 14th Amendment. This is not common knowledge. Though the article does get around to explaining this, it uses the term "incorporation" more than once before doing so. This is confusing. Agent Cooper (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Actually, very little of the terminology pertaining to the Supreme Court is "common knowledge". Relevant to its subject matter, incorporation is a basic term. Install a wiki link on the word to the "incorporation" article, if you feel its not clear enough. Napkin65 (talk) 20:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

entry uch badly written - there is no conclusion m,it was remanded, what happended then?

Comment: It is not just a writing quality issue but it has appearances of bias. The article falsely claims that the Slaughter-House Cases excluded the Bill of Rights form incorporation by 14th Amendment, while in the decision issued on April 14, 1873, in that matter, the Supreme Court merely ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment's Privileges or Immunities Clause affected only rights of US citizenship, not state citizenship. Obviously, the Bill of Rights guarantees rights of U.S. citizens so the above insinuation is patently false, and fallacious interpretations notwithstanding. 172.88.206.28 (talk) 05:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

That was more confusing than the subject section of the article.  :-) North8000 (talk) 21:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
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There are a number of related cases working their way through the US court system now, where each one uses the McDonald decision applying the 2nd Amendment to the States as a foundation, and conceivably obtaining clarification through evolving case law as to just how far reaching McDonald and Heller will be. There are reliable sources on each of these cases, so they could possibly be used to improve the article in the Related cases section to show legacy effect on McDonald. Mvialt (talk) 14:42, 2 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • Drake v. Jerejian - has filed for certiori at the Supreme Court following a 3rd circuit decision allowing the State of New Jersey to severely restrict weapons possession to those people that show some sort of specific and strong need.
  • Cooke v. Hickenlooper - challenges a Colorado law on how large gun magazines can be. Apparently has all or nearly all of the elected sheriffs of the state supporting the challenge that suggests the legislature may have erred in making the law. The State is taking the opposite position.
  • Wilson v. Cook County - challenges a Chicago/Cook County law that restricts the kinds of weapons that individuals can own under the 2nd Amendment, and whether the government's definition might be overbroad.
  • New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. City of New York - related to New York City's "Title 38" which restricts any gun, once licensed, from being taken outside the city limits (say to shoot at a target range, or to shoot in a competition, etc.) It appears the City is arguing that this is a necessary restriction on 2nd Amendment rights while the plaintiffs are taking the other side.

Reference missing regarding alleged non-applicability of 14th Amendment to Bill of Rights against states

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QUOTE Slaughter-House determined that the 14th Amendment's Privileges or Immunities Clause did not apply the Bill of Rights to the actions of states (and by extension, local governments). UNQUOTE

Well, an exact reference to such determination is missing; the article Slaughter-House Cases does not contain any mention of such determination. In the decision issued on April 14, 1873, in that matter, the Supreme Court merely ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment's Privileges or Immunities Clause affected only rights of US citizenship, not state citizenship. Obviously, the Bill of Rights guarantees rights of U.S. citizens so the above reference does not support the quoted claim.172.88.206.28 (talk) 05:59, 1 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

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I'm not sure why, but the current link to the case on the docket is dead: https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/08-1521.htm

This one works, however: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/08-1521.html

But I don't know how to substitute it for the info box in the top right of the article.

Phantom in ca (talk) 04:47, 24 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 23 July 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Extensive evidence by Adumbrativus suggests that the two variants are in similar circulation and thus there is no pressing need to move per WP:TITLECHANGES. Plus, Bluebook (seems to) favor the current title. No such user (talk) 11:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply


McDonald v. City of ChicagoMcDonald v. Chicago – McDonald v. Chicago appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME. The Oyez Project [1], Cornell Law School [2], Bill of Rights Institute [3], and when I looked it up the hyperlink for the Supreme Court page just said McDonald v. Chicago, obviously it gives the full title upon entering. The "City of" part is already excluded from a lot of this article including the infobox, and the more simple version has over 10 million more hits on Google. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

 00:08, 13 January 2015 Good Olfactory talk contribs block  57 bytes +57  Good Olfactory moved page McDonald v. Chicago to McDonald v. City of Chicago over redirect: name of case per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Legal#Article_titles; following Bluebook

by a still-active admin so perhaps that rationale should be considered. Andrewa (talk) 04:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for pointing that out. Perhaps Good Olfactory could explain this to us. Mudwater (Talk) 05:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
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