Talk:Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone/GA1

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Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 00:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll review it, why not? :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• In the second sentence, it implies there were officially 99 tropical cyclones over a ~50 year period, which is 2 per year. That's not all that rare sounding. You should clarify that the stat means tropical-like storms, or something.

• Done. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "Numerous studies have been conducted on the impact of global warming on Mediterranean tropical cyclone formation, with generally concluding that although fewer storms would form, those that did would be of a greater intensity." - grammar. Remove the "with", and the last portion could be shorter - "generally concluding that fewer yet more intense storms would form."

• Ding. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• In the third lede paragraph, use "that" instead of "which"

• Done. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• Did the University of Berlin really name 01M as "Tropical Storm Rolf"?

• Er, only Rolf. Clarified. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think you need to link the next section when you write " certain meteorological circumstances arise"

• Unlinked. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "with no definitive trend in activity within that period" - the two "with/within"s are weird. Make the second one "in"

• Fixed. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "approximately 0.75 such systems form each year, compared to 0.32 in the Ionian Sea region" - so this adds up to 1.08, but earlier you said there is an average of 1.57 per year. Am I to assume the remaining .49 is from another part of the Medit (that you said wasn't as favorable?)

• Yes, i.e. Adriatic and Aegean Seas. (The 2006 storm passed through the Adriatic Sea, for instance.) Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "This in turn leads" - add comma

• Double. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "70 to 200 km (43 to 124 mi)" - round the miles

• Why? Also, it's a convert template, I'll have to look that up. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• If the first unit is rounded, the second should be as well. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "and feature wind speeds approaching 144 km/h (89 mph)" - so the storms generally produce winds of 89 mph? That's not a record, that's a general tendency? Seems pretty high, given that's a strong category 1 hurricane.

• I thought "approaching" would suffice for the meaning of "up to," but maybe that's not clear. Changed. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "cold-cored" - drop the d?

• Eeyup. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• You should explain or link what a "lee depression" is

• Explained. Note that it's under the influence of local orography. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "Under the influence of mountainous terrain, the low-pressure area initially meandered northeastward, but following the entry of cool sea air, it recurved to the southeast before transitioning into a Saharan depression associated with a distinct cold front by 22 September." - split into two sentences

• Split. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• " the ship reports containing information on wind speed could have been within the opposite side of the eyewall, which usually features the highest winds in a tropical cyclone." - I'm missing this. Did the ship actually report the strongest winds? And what were they?

• I moved the tidbit and clarified... hopefully? Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "Two low-pressure areas were present along the path of the trough, with one situated above Ukraine and the other above the central Mediterranean, likely associated with a low-level cyclone over western Greece, which began to weaken on 14 January, and a second low, the system which would evolve into the Mediterranean tropical cyclone, developed in situ on 15 January." - one, too long, and two, don't be too verbose with the "in situ" :P No need for italics, no need to be overly fancy

• Split and fixed. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• You link "cumulonimbi" a section after you first mention. Fix that, and fix your many duplicate Wikilinks

• Working on it.... and done. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "was a typical Mediterranean tropical cyclone which developed " - again, which --> that

• Fixed. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "an area conducive to cyclone development" - not needed since climatology was covered previously

• Ding. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "a disturbance developed off the coast of Valencia, Spain, dropping heavy rainfall on the coast" don't say coast twice

• Yeppers. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "An eye developed shortly thereafter as the system rapidly traversed across Majorca and Sardinia in its eastward trek before making landfall upon the coast of southern Italy on the evening of 13 September with a minimum atmospheric pressure of 990 mbar (29.24 inHg), dissipating shortly after coming ashore." - ugh, once again, too long

• Split. :/ Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "While approaching the coast" - which one? Eastern Spain? Balearic Islands? Italy?

• Err, the Balearics. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• " Warm low-level advection caused by a large-scale low over the western Mediterranean,[3] in conjunction with the presence of a mid- to upper-level cut-off cold-core low were the two main factors in the rise of strong convection. " - the whole article is a bit too on the technical side, but this sentence in particular could use some dumbing down

• Ugh, yeah. Fixed as best I could. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• I recommend splitting it up. The sentence is still rather long. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• "with a definitive eye-like feature prominent on satellite" - definitive and prominent seem synonymous here

• Removed one. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• There definitely needs to be more info on Rolf

• Working on it. Er, done now. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• You don't ever mention once that Medicanes aren't officially classified tropical cyclones. Here, it is emphasized that they are different and not one of the regular basins.

• Done. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Overall, the article is very technical. If you intend to take this to FAC, you should tone it down some, as it was somewhat complicated for myself. I can't imagine what a non-weather geek would say. Anyway, the article is on hold, bladeyblah. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Working on fixing the jargooooon.... yep, done. Cloudchased (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Alright, just two minor things left :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Im not happy about this article. "Too start off with Mediterranean tropical cyclones are not considered to be formally classified tropical cyclones by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and are not officially monitored." - Why NOAA? Why not WMO, Greece or France or some other agency that is more relevant to the region in question. It also implies that any system, that they do not monitor are not tropical cyclones. Rolfs Section implies that NOAA officially monitored it and considered it to be a tropical cyclone which they didn't. Also in response to Hurricanehinks inevitable reaction the article doesn't clarify that the systems aren't proper tropical cyclones to a lay reader.Jason Rees (talk) 19:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

How would you define "proper," anyway? Also, I'll look into your concerns. Cloudchased (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Ditto, looking into these as well. Cloudchased (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink:, @Jason Rees: – how about now? Cloudchased (talk) 20:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)