Talk:Meenakshi Temple

I hereby request the administration to move the page to replace 'Meenakshi temple' with 'Shri Meenakshi Sundareshwarar temple, Madurai', which is a historical temple and is very accurate to mention the temple in Madurai, because there are so many temples in the name of 'Meenakshi temple', in various parts of Tamil Nadu. Thank you.2409:4072:639F:3999:0:0:2817:B0AD (talk) 08:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

• I hereby request the administration to move the page to replace 'Meenakshi temple' with 'Shri Meenakshi Sundareshwarar temple, Madurai', which is a historical temple and is very accurate to mention the temple in Madurai, because there are so many temples in the name of 'Meenakshi temple', in various parts of Tamil Nadu. Thank you.Helppublic (talk) 08:53, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

References provided are nothing but spam

The references used in this article are mostly spammy and commercial links. Most of them have no any value as a source of authentication. Why do those references be removed? Akilash (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Checked ref and removed non-RS ones. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions

While the article is better is shape and style, but as a GA, the article fails "broad in coverage" criterion IMO. Expand the article. Write on the following

• History: who built, expanded. see http://www.maduraimeenakshi.org/menu_pg.php?id=2?s_id=5
• Architecture:
  • Gopurams
  • More about halls: it is a huge temple with many mandapas [1]
  • Expand Shrines to constitute the sanctums of Meenakshi and Shiva
  • Religious importance section: no of visitors, virtues on worshipping in this particular temple

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The article is quite far from being a GA. It needs to be thoroughly copy-edited. For example, check out the first sentence in "History" section

Meenakshi(eyes resembling fish) is the principal deity, but not Sundareswarar and she is worshipped on her own, although the festive occasion of her marriage to Sundareswarar is celebrated annually by 50,000 pilgrims

Now, what is the meaning of this sentence. Does it imply that Meenakshi is the sole deity of the shrine? The language used here is not so good-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 10:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

The meaning of shilpa sastras is not "ancient texts".-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 10:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

This article uses a great deal of Tamil words, but does not use IPA at all. Since Wikipedia caters to an international audience, to be rated a good article, I feel that this one should make use of IPA.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 10:58, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

"Beautiful" and "maginificient" are obvious peacock terms.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 11:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Copy editing and IPA are still do be done(considering lot of changes done in the past 2-3 days) were too technical. The article is still work in progress. S Sriram 12:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)ssriram_mt

The architecture, history, shrines and halls are widely expanded. Please suggest to promote to next level. Also considering that this is a wonder from India nominated next only to Tajmahal, shouldn't this article be of 'High' importance in India project. ssriram_mt(talk - my page - contribs)

• Please see [2], which has a map, foundation legend, priesthood etc.
• Also split "The Temple" into History and Architecture. "The initiative to rebuild..." does not have references.
• "The 7-foot tall sculpture of Ganesh carved of single stone lies outside the shrine" which shrine - Meenakshi or Shiva one?
• "Shiva killing the demon child" who? context needed
• Mandapam or Mandapa - stick to 1 spelling
• Halls: there is no location given for the halls. See [3] which gives you the location of the hall with respect to the other one.
• Alphabetize the References by author.
• Needs copyedting. The text misses many "the"s--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I have made all the corrections specified. The legend/priesthood and some of the details are unreferenced in the DE article. I have added some referenced content S Sriram(talk - my page - contribs) 00:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)ssriram_mt

Assessment comment

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In "maps.google.com", it is wrongly described as 'This temple has a stunning architecture and a significant testimony for Vishwakarma Brahmins'. The right describtion is 'This temple has a stunning architecture and a significant testimony for Dravidians' as mensioned in wikipedia.org.

Last edited at 01:39, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 23:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 24 May 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to updated proposal DrStrauss talk 09:31, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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Meenakshi Amman Temple → Meenakshi Temple, Madurai – As per naming conventions followed by all other Temple pages agasthyathepirate(talk) 14:26, 24 May 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Music1201 ^talk 20:48, 11 June 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 08:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

• Question. What is "Amman", apart from the capital city of Jordan? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe: Amman in this context refers to mother goddess in Tamil. It is similar to mataji/ma in Hindi and Ammavaru in Telugu. It is mostly added to every goddess Temple name in India by devotees for their gratitude, devotion and respect. agasthyathepirate(talk) 18:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

• Relisting comment: agasthyathepirate states As per naming conventions followed by all other Temple pages but I can find no sign of that convention either in theory or in practice, see for example Category:Hindu temples in Madurai and Category:Shakti temples. Where else should we look? Andrewa (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@Andrewa: Category:Shakti temples is the list of Amman(Goddess) temples in India. In this list, Temples outside TamilNadu are not having that word Amman/Ammavaru as a part of Temple name. By removing that word Amman, the meaning of the title will never change and it makes more sense to wide range of readers. There may be very few excpetions in this convention, but this temple will not fall under that. Rest of the world will know it as Meenakshi Temple or Madurai Temple. Amman is just to add more glory to the title. Also look at discussion under Talk:Padmavathi Temple, Tiruchanur. Not only for this temple, the words Maa/Mathaji/Amman/Ammavaru/Swamy/Perumal can be removed from titles of temples(with exceptions) as they are not official, its only added by devotees who created articles. The official site of this temple also never mentioned this word as a part of Title - It states it as "Meenakshi Sundareswarar Temple". Google search results: Meenakshi Temple: 5,58,000 results and Meenakshi Amman Temple: 4,52,000 results agasthyathepirate(talk) 05:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

This and the discussion to which you link at Talk:Padmavathi Temple, Tiruchanur#Requested move 21 July 2015 both appear to miss the point completely, and on many different grounds.

It appears to me that both you and the nominator there, Vin09 (and I'm guessing also others involved), are unaware that English Wikipedia has formal naming conventions, is that correct? When you say naming conventions, you both appear to just mean current practice as you see it. Or is there an informal convention at WikiProject India that I have missed?

This probably explains the appeals to the official names in both instances. These are (or should have been) of marginal relevance both to the previous discussion and to this one.

The Google searches you quote would be relevant but the figures are too close to make any difference, assuming you mean 558,000 and 452,000 (following the English grouping convention as we do here). Andrewa (talk) 06:23, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Andrewa: Yes this is how in course of time other Temple articles in India have been renamed to keep just including temple name and place name. That is the reason I requested move with the comment 'as per naming coventions follwed by other temple articles'. All the common words like Amman/Ammavaru/Maa(goddess) and swamy/perumal(gods) etc., were removed from the titles even though it is part of the temple name which is generally reffered to by every one. If this is against any Wiki policy then I believe it would definitly need broader discussion.

I beileve the discussion in Talk:Padmavathi Temple, Tiruchanur#Requested move 21 July 2015 doesn't appeal to Official name, but it went against.

For example, If there are goddess Lakshmi Temples in locations 1.North India, 2.AndhraPradesh and 3.TamilNadu. This is how Article Titles look like respectively based on regionality. 1.Maa Lakshmi Temple/Lakshmi matha Temple 2.Lakshmi ammavari Temple 3. Lakshmi Amman Temple. But all these temples are same.agasthyathepirate(talk) 07:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

You seem to be making this up as you go. No, articles are named according to their names in reliable English sources. If this leads to two articles having the same name, then we disambiguate. Please read those policies and guidelines. Andrewa (talk) 09:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

• Majority of news articles mentioned the temple as Meenakshi Temple/Meenakshi Sundareswarar Temple. However there are few articles which also mentioned it as Meenakshi Amman Temple. The book and news references given in the article referred it as Meenakshi Temple/Meenakshi Sundareswarar Temple.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/An-app-to-guide-you-through-Meenakshi-temple/article14584843.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/thousands-witness-meenakshi-temple-car-festival/article18412039.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/Banned-plastic-seized-in-raid-around-Meenakshi-temple/article17310942.ece

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/madurai/meenakshi-amman-temple-chithirai-festival-begins/articleshow/58415275.cms agasthyathepirate(talk) 11:05, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, that is progress. But the more I look, the bigger this mess appears. See #This is a mess. Andrewa (talk) 16:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

• support removal of honorific; agnostic about geo dab.

Don't ask me to cite WP naming conventions directly, but the general convention in english WP is to avoid honorifics unless they are officially part of someone's title, and even there they are given as an afterthought. E.g., in bios, it's "X, lord of Y" or "A, princess of B", not *Lord X or *Princess A. For deities, the honorifics are omitted entirely unless they have become lexicalized as part of the name in English (e.g. Beelzebub). — kwami (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Alternate proposal

Move to Meenakshi Temple. There is no need to disambiguate. Andrewa (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support agasthyathepirate(talk) 16:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

This is a mess

Many contributors to this and related articles and discussions seem to have no knowledge of English Wikipedia policies and procedures. The naming convention on which this RM and others have been based appears not to exist. There is consequently a long history of moves to this and other articles made purely on the basis of personal preference of the editor, and in some cases reversed by a following editor on a similar basis. It is possible that conventions used in other languages, and other language Wikipedias, have been at least part of the basis of these preferences, but these other language conventions have no authority here.

A significant amount of the article history appears to have been left at Meenakshi temple following this cut and paste move in 2006.

That title and Meenakshi Temple both redirect here. There appears to be no reason that this article should not be named Meenakshi Temple.

I have asked the closer of the earlier RM to comment. [4] Andrewa (talk) 16:47, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

If, as is possible, there are many temples that go by the name of Meenakshi Temple but only this one is notable enough for an article, there are two possibilities at least:

• We could have a section in this article mentioning the others.
• We could create a List of Meenakshi temples or similar.

However, it is not necessary to disambiguate this one. Andrewa (talk) 17:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I have now boldly removed the geographical disambiguator from the article now at Padmavathi Temple, see Talk:Padmavathi Temple#Unnecessary disambiguation. Andrewa (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. The same issue exists in almost majority of the Temple titles. Both disambiguation and honorifics which are not mentioned in any of the reliable sources. How to deal with this. All these articles fall under Wikipedia:WikiProject Hinduism. agasthyathepirate(talk) 17:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Deities inside the Meenakshi Temple

• Shri Mukkuruni Vinayagar
• Shri Double Vinayagar
• Shri Dhakshinaamoorthy
• Shri Saraswathi
• Shri Lingothpavar
• Shri Sahashralingam
• Shri Subramaniar with Valli and Theivayaanai
• Shri Metha Dhakshinaamoorthy
• Shri Sun with Usha and Pradhiusha
• Shri Mahalakshmi
• Shri Siddhar
• Shri Durgai Amman
• Shri Appar
• Shri Sambandhar
• Shri Sundarar
• Shri Manickavasakar
• Shri Kasi Vishwanathar
• Shri 63 Naayanmaars
• Shri Sabdha Kanniyars
• Shri Kalyaana Sundareshwarar with Meenakshi Amman
• Shri Chandrasekharar
• Shri Chandikeshwarar
• Shri Sanka pulavargal
• Shri Natarajar
• Shri Vibhoodhi Vinayagar
• Shri Bhairavar
• Shri Navagrahas

In addition, the statue of

• The King Thirumalai Naicker with his wives. Helppublic (talk) 08:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Madurai Meenakshi amman temple

Very old and a stunning temple i ever visited 183.82.27.138 (talk) 14:26, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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