Talk:Michael Madhusudan Dutt

Merger

The proper and common way of name spelling for this poet is Michael Madhusudan Dutt. The middle name is not split into two parts in common usage. So the article Michael Madhu Sudan Dutt needs to redirect to this article. Thanks. --Ragib 21:06, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Who ever's changed the artice into neatly arranged headers as done a real great job.

References

Considerable parts of article have been taken from http://www.srichinmoylibrary.com/books/3004/1/11 - published 1971. Needs including in references at least —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.234.191 (talk) 09:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Added Category

Added category indian christians.--71.30.188.223 04:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Tone Tag

This article still seems terribly POV. An admin once added a tone tag here, but then it was removed. I would like to put that tag back. Any objections? --Kuaichik 22:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I've put it back. In case anyone is wondering why, let me offer a more detailed explanation I had given elsewhere:

it still includes statements such as "(h)e was an exceptionally gifted student," "(h)e was very imaginative," and "what the Abbot of St. Maurice spoke of Manfred [essentially a series of praises] can equally be applied to the life of Madhusudan." In addition, there are many unsourced statements assuming knowledge of his feelings like "...he desired to be an Englishman..." "(h)e had no respect for that tradition and wanted to break free..." --Kuaichik 04:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Not a Bengali Christian?

Bakasuprman has removed "Bengali Christian" as a category to which Michael Madhusudan Dutt would belong. Why? Was he not a Bengali Christian? The article seems to say so. --Kuaichik 06:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied on user talk page.Bakaman 18:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, the main problem is, "Indian" here is confusing. It mixes up a "India" as in British India (a larger pre-1947 entity comprising of current day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh), with "India" as in "Republic of India" (the post-1947 republic, much smaller). Indian christian is, therefore, quite ambiguous. He could very well be called a "Bangladeshi Christian" under the logic (BD didn't exist back in his time, but neither did "Republic of India"). --Ragib 18:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Splitting by ethnicity leads to a pandoras box of categories. Bodo, Naga, Gujjar, Malayali, there are potentially over 50 categories that could probably be created. Also, MMD lived in some entity titled India (British ''India'', Republic of ''India'' - there's a common theme here) while he didnt live in any entity titled Bangladesh. If you believe MMD should be a member of Category:Bangladeshi Christians by all means add him but we do not have cats like "Punjabi Hindus", "Tamil Buddhists", "Tibetan Muslims", "Champan Christians", etc which would more or less serve the same function of this category.Bakaman 18:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, now I see that the category "Bengali Christians" was deleted. Sorry, my mistake (and sorry for the late reply as well); I should have looked. No point in classifying him under a category while it is nonexistent, right? I would tend to think that he is a Bengali Christian and should be categorized as such, but only under the assumption that the category is available. --Kuaichik 04:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Rename this article

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. He appears to have published under the name Dutt, and Ghulam Murshid's biography also uses that spelling. Favonian (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Michael Madhusudan Dutt → Michael Madhusudan Dutta – I think the proper name of this article should be Michael Madhusudan Dutta, not Dutt. The surname is commonly written in Bengali as "Dutta". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anubhab91 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

But didn't Michael himself used the "Dutt" spelling? He did dabble in English literature. So, he definitely wrote his name as he wanted to, which is "Dutt". --Ragib (talk) 12:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Needed: Basic facts

Editors working on this article are encouraged to use sources to document basic facts: where and when did he live in different places? How did he make a living? Did his first wife die, or did they divorce? The many quotes add spice but must be sourced, or they may all be deleted. Parkwells (talk) 18:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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1) persistent violators will be blocked– not sure who are violators here, but most probably they have left Wikipedia long time ago 2) the Brittanica page you have mentioned does not exist! --Tito Dutta ✉ 08:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

This is the copyvio diff, see also Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Kkm010. That user will be blocked indefinitely without warning (per convention and policy) if we find any copyvios postdating the investigation. The text above is boilerplate. As for the Britannica page, try searching for it. MER-C 08:27, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

That user will be blocked indefinitely without warning (per convention and policy) – there is only 1 edit which has copyvio problem –this is that user's problem (since you know that he has done similar disruptive edits in many more articles). Please remember when you are posting a message in an article talk you are talking to all contributors of the article, not just one editor (kkm has ony 2 edits here), so, the way you have posted here– and persistent violators will be blocked is unfriendly! There is not persistent copyvio problem! --Tito Dutta ✉ 09:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

From experience, articles relating to the Indian subcontinent are disproportionally more likely to contain (sometimes recurring) copyvios. It is considered good practice to leave {{cclean}} every time a copyvio is removed. That said, if you have an issue with the template, you can bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. MER-C 10:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Relationship to Leander Paes

I have generalised Dutt's relationship to Paes in the article, purely due to lack of proper references.

• Forbes India says Dutt was Paes' great-great-great grandfather.
• The Telegraph says that Dutt was Paes' great-great grandfather.
• Trans World Features, whose writer seems to have actually visited Dutt's ancestral home in Jessore (in present-day Bangladesh), agrees with The Telegraph.
• NationMaster (external link blocked by Wikipedia) says Dutt was Paes' great grandfather (i.e. Paes was his great grandson).
• Yahoo agrees with NationMaster.

Of course, other than the TWF article author I'm unsure what sources the others used for their statements, or whether they just regurgitated information they found after a casual web search. Personally, I'm inclined to believe what The Telegraph and TWF say, but given the lack of clarity and detailed genealogical information regarding Paes' ancestry, I believe a generalised description of the relationship is best. In any case, it's just a tangential note in the article and is enough to serve the purpose of helping people connect the two personalities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.236.83 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)