Talk:Mickey Mouse/Archive 2

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"Mickey Mouse" as meaning "good" in Australia, instead of as a pejorative

Can someone please add to the section concerning "Mickey Mouse" as a pejorative, concerning the fact that it may mean "good" in Australia, that this is due to rhyming slang - "Mickey mouse" is rhyming slang for "grouse", hence meaning good. Urban dictionary is a reference: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grouse&defid=5355536 . This will help to explain why it apparently can mean the opposite to what one would expect with all the other text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.214.168.191 (talk) 12:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Original thought??

Examine this sentence:

If greenlit, the latter will probably be the 54th or 55th full-length theatrical animated feature in the canon, and the third starring Mickey and his friends, after Fantasia and Fun & Fancy Free.

First, note the word "probably". This means that it isn't definite. We also note the meaning of the phrase "54th or 55th". We know the sequence:

• 51. Winnie-the-Pooh
• 52. Wreck-It Ralph
• 53. Frozen

This means that if this film immediately follows Frozen, it will be 54th. But we don't know whether it will be before or after King of the Elves, so we don't know if it's the 54th or 55th. Georgia guy (talk) 19:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Odd as it sounds, Wikipedia would require a source confirming that one plus one equals two. Unfortunately, this entire sentence violates WP:OR in a number of ways. First of all, how many encyclopedia articles do you know that use the word "probably"? This sentence should be a source for facts, not speculation. Second, the sentence makes a guess on how many films have featured Mickey and company ... especially since it left out Fantasia 2000. In other words, if we don't know, we shouldn't attempt to guess or speculate. --McDoobAU93 19:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible that it might actually be the 63rd?? Any film in the canon whose release date was at least 4 years after an old estimate?? Georgia guy (talk) 19:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Forgive my boneheadedness, but I'm not sure I completely understand your statement. Theoretically, it's possible that the Mickey Mouse feature could be delayed for years and not get released until much later, just as Frozen has been in and out of production over the last few years. Same with King of the Elves. --McDoobAU93 19:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

The keyword is probably. We will eventually find out when we get closer to its release date. Georgia guy (talk) 19:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

That is correct, but the presence of "probably" does not prevent a statement from being labeled as original thought. --McDoobAU93 19:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Update Under Merchandising

There should be an inclusion under this section to include information on the first mickey mouse stuffed animal/doll. In the 1930s seamstress Charlotte Clark was asked to create the first Mickey Mouse and other Disney character dolls. Currently there is no mention of her in the article. Reference: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2049243_2048649_2048992,00.htmlMsaries30 (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2013 (UTC)Msaries30

Edit request on 22 May 2013

This page suggests that the inspiration for Mickey Mouse was based on a pet mouse Walt Disney kept on his farm.

"Walt Disney got the inspiration for Mickey Mouse from his old pet mouse he used to have on his farm."

It does not say when or where he kept this pet, nor does it cite a source. However, the Laugh-O-Gram studio wiki does correctly cite a source and quote directly from Walt Disney that his inspiration for Mickey Mouse came from a tame mouse kept at his art studio.

"Disney told interviewers later that he was inspired to draw Mickey by a tame mouse at his desk at Laugh-O-Gram Studio in Kansas City, Missouri.

'They used to fight for crumbs in my waste-basket when I worked alone late at night. I lifted them out and kept them in wire cages on my desk. I grew particularly fond of one brown house mouse. He was a timid little guy. By tapping him on the nose with my pencil, I trained him to run inside a black circle I drew on my drawing board. When I left Kansas to try my luck at Hollywood, I hated to leave him behind. So I carefully carried him to a backyard, making sure it was a nice neighborhood, and the tame little fellow scampered to freedom.'[5]

In 1928 during a train trip to New York he showed the drawing to his wife Lillian Marie Bounds and said he was going to call it "Mortimer Mouse." She replied that the name sounded "too sissified" and suggested Mickey Mouse instead.[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laugh-O-Gram_Studio#Inspiration_for_Mickey_Mouse

Also, earlier in the wiki for Mickey Mouse the colloquial phrase "had [him] over a barrel is used." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mouse#Origin I suggest a more factual or non-cliche phrase be used. "Because Mintz owned Oswald he thought he could control Disney's work and budget."

Chapman.phil (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)Phil

Chapman.phil (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Done. I used the source from the Laugh-O-Gram article, and removed the other sentence you pointed out as unnecessary commentary. Thanks! --ElHef (Meep?) 04:28, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse in the Internet phenomena

What about Mickey in the Internet phenomena? I hate it to see when Mickey has suicide. That was terrifying and horrible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.51.77 (talk) 14:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Blackface

Shouldn't it be mentioned that the design of Mickey Mouse, along with those of many other old cartoon characters, were heavily influenced by blackface make up? FunkMonk (talk) 22:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC) although many people argue that Mickey's first appearance or starring occurred in "Steamboat Willie", his first actual animated film appearance was in "Plane Crazy".

1988 Iowa primary

I think Mickey's 2nd place finish in the 1988 Iowa presidential primary needs to have a better source (or removed if a reliable source cannot be found). The cited source mentions that the 1992 (not 1988) caucus (not a primary) will take place the next day - thus making it impossible for this cited source to be reporting on the results of that contest.

Also, Mickey is only mentioned once in the cited source, and it's a passing reference regarding the character of a town and has nothing to do with Mickey's popularity as a candidate. In essence, the cited source does not support the article's assertion of Mickey's 2nd place showing.

In other sources, I see "uncommitted" with 11.9% in the 1992 caucus, but I don't see any breakout that gives Mickey 7% (and given the workings of the caucus, this doesn't seem particularly feasible).

Kosmo99 (talk) 21:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 September 2013

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please i only make small changes Comoses2 (talk) 15:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2014

You forgot Chris Diamantopoulos. 68.5.245.253 (talk) 21:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: While Mr. Diamantopoulos has indeed voiced the character and is included in the article, he is not considered the "official" current voice of Mickey Mouse and thus is not included in the infobox. If, however, you can provide reliable proof that Disney considers him to be the official voice, then that would be the basis of a change. --McDoobAU93 22:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Minstrel Show References

Shouldn't we mention that Mickey Mouse was originally based off of blackface Minstrel Shows? Daffy Duck 555 (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2014

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2015

Mickey's voice actor information needs to be updated, so please unprotect it so I can do it. Thanks. Duke Remington (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Kharkiv07^Talk 00:12, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Walt Disney as Mickey's voice

Walt Disney actually voiced Mickey from 1928-1966, because even though he stopped voicing the character regularly after 1947, he did continue to reprise the role on a handful of occasions between that year and his death. Please correct it ASAP. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duke Remington (talk • contribs) 00:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Please provide a source ASAP. Wikipedia needs those sources to confirm verifiability. JOJ ^Hutton 01:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2015

I think it'd be a good idea to change "typically" with "traditionally" in the opening paragraph, since lately Mickey's been more shown in regular clothes or in costumes. 189.110.79.56 (talk) 06:48, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2016

the first few lines it says "Mickey has become the most recognizable cartoon character in the world." is that right? How about Bugs who is has also appeared in more films than any other cartoon character, is the ninth most-portrayed film personality in the world,nd other cartoons charters? Should it say "Mickey has become the one of the most recognizable cartoon character in the world.".

Not done: You provided no source that indicates that Bugs Bunny is more recognizable than Mickey Mouse. Number of portrayals does not necessarily translate into how recognizable the character is. Some might argue that Bugs' popularity hasn't had as much international reach as Mickey's, but again, you'd need a source to back it up. --McDoobAU93 19:09, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

what kind of souce do I need? Most top cartoon characters have on of the two top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.157.176 (talk) 20:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

We'd be looking for some analysis completed by a reputable person/firm and published in a reliable source. Internet polling is out of the question. --McDoobAU93 21:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

where the best places to look (what sort of thing I am Looking for) do you mind helping find some — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.157.176 (talk) 22:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Since you are the one who wishes to make the change, the burden of proof lies with you to find it. Other editors may choose to help based on this discussion thread. --McDoobAU93 22:32, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Done Found a source that backs up the character's very high recognizability, but doesn't quantify it against other characters in a list, for instance. The source is a reliable one and the lede has been fixed to match what the source backs up. --McDoobAU93 22:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2016

2606:A000:5190:D400:FDA4:D1E9:F13F:1A8B (talk) 19:27, 9 September 2016 (UTC) MICKEY MOUSE WAS THE BEST SHOW AS A KID AND MOST LIKELY EVERYONE WATCHED IT AND WATCHES IT NOW

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2016 (domain hijacked for an external link)

The domaine of the following external link about Mickey Mouse's Campaign Website have been bought by a japanese company and is now used to advertise appartments or whatever and is not related anymore with Mickey Mouse. It should be removed. Thank you.

http://mickeyforpresident.com/ Mickey Mouse's Campaign Website

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•  Fixed Changed URL to August 3, 2008 capture at archive.org. General Ization ^Talk 02:38, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2016

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Extremely poor writing

The prose here is quite appalling. "Angrily, Disney refused the deal and returned to produce the final Oswald cartoons he contractually owed Mintz. Disney was dismayed at the betrayal by his staff but determined to restart from scratch.” Angrily? Is this a novel? Returned from where? Final? What made them “final” as opposed to “remaining?” “At” “by” “to” "from” How many prepositions are too many? Is “determined" a verb or an adjective? The next sentence is almost as bad: If the studio is new then by definition it is initial. And “loyal apprentice" Les Clark is among the few who “remained loyal?” Also: “...Mickey would reach popularity he never reached before as audiences now gave him more appeal.” Orthotox (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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Citation needed for "Michael Mouse"

Looking through the Talk page archives, it appears that in 2006, 2008, and 2011, there were discussions about "Mickey" being a nickname for "Michael", but no one ever put forward a case for "Michael Mouse" being the proper name for the Mickey Mouse character. It seems to me adding a {{cn}} tag after "Michael Mouse" may be appropriate (though this is admittedly not terribly important to me). Thoughts? -- RobLa (talk) 22:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2018

162.222.254.95 (talk) 17:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Mickey is a 2-37 age range show.

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2018

I want to add info about the "Loway and Mr.Hand" episode "Brought by Disney", which Mickey Mouse appears in. 101.175.138.76 (talk) 01:52, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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the minstrel show/blackface origins issue...

I have asked several Disney scholars about this issue, and they all maintain that the link between Mickey's early design/persona and blackface minstrelsy is really just the speculation of certain academics, and not really based on either concrete fact or how the character was actually perceived by a contemporary audience in the late 1920s/early 1930s. While early animation was indeed influenced by vaudeville, which certainly included blackface performances, Mickey's early persona was much more strongly influenced by silent film comedians such as Charlie Chaplin and Walt Disney's own background in the rural Midwest. Mickey's visual design evolved from the likes of Felix the Cat, who's origins are described on his own Wikipedia page as also being influenced by Chaplin, and Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, who's personality was partly inspired by actor Douglas Fairbanks. The black and white color scheme of such characters was more due to the very limited color palette available to early animators, so most characters ended up visually resembled blackface caricatures in some superficial ways by default, even if they weren't intentionally created as a "coded" black character. After all, even the goat and parrot in Steamboat Willie and the owl in The Skeleton Dance are colored black due to the lack of color palette. Whether or not the white gloves were intended as a reference to minstrel show performers is up for debate, as reknowed and animation Disney historian Jim Korkis, who has been studying this stuff for DECADES now, explains the origins of the gloves and Mickey in general in his well-researched books and doesn't mention minstrelsy at all. It should be noted that the popular comic strip Mutt and Jeff, which began in 1910 and was later adapted into animated shorts, also always wore white gloves In the mid-1930s, legendary animator Fred Moore asserted that Mickey much "convey the qualities of an average young boy...living in a small town, clean-living, fun-loving, bashful around girls, and as polite and as clever as he must be for the particular story...he has a touch of Fred Astaire, in others of Charlie Chaplin, and some of Douglas Fairbanks", not mentioning minstrelsy at all as an influence. Likewise, Neal Gabler in his Walt Disney biography states that "nearly every analysis of the early Mickey invoked Chaplin and cited the correspondence between the two..." and never once mentions minstrel shows as an influence in his book. The early concept art of Mickey by Ub Iwerks, which got simplified in the final films, also is pretty clearly supposed to represent an anthropomorphic rodent and not a blackface minstrel With all that said, there are blackface gags in early Disney shorts, often as a reference to Al Jolson, and the short "Mickey's Mellerdrammer" features Mickey and the gang performing "Uncle Tom's Cabin". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rissie15 (talk) Please consider changing the wording in part of the "design" section to reflect this complete information.

sources: The Book of Mouse by Jim Korkis(2013, Theme Park Press), Secret Stories of Mickey Mouse by Jim Korkis(2018, Theme Park Press), The Magic Kingdom: Walt Disney and the American Way of Life by Steven Watts(University of Missouri Press, 2013), Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination by Neal Gabler(Vintage Books, 2007) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rissie15 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse Silhouette is NOT Three Perfect Circles

Please update this on the page. Ears should be ovals — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbhmic (talk • contribs) 17:28, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Why 2024 not 2023??

1928 plus 95 years of copyright is 2023, right?? Georgia guy (talk) 16:58, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I think it rounds up to the next year. All of the works from 1923 for example were first put in the public domain in 2019, regardless at what point in the year 1923 they were published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkchiefy (talk • contribs) 00:50, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Italic title

As an article about a character the title should not be italicized, but I can't find the code to unitalicized it. Anyone? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I believe the code lives in the {{infobox character}}. There may be a parameter in that template that allows you to choose whether it's italicized or not, I'd poke around in the template docs or code. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox image

Link to previous file

There has been a long effort by a determined user (now blocked for sockpuppeting) to change the lead/infobox image in this article. This user declined numerous requests to initiate the effort with a discussion here of why a different image is necessary or desirable. Since we require specific metadata regarding a fair use/non-free file like this, I feel that it's especially important in a case like this to ensure that any change is actually desired by the editors of an article, and that all necessary steps are taken.

My most recent attempt to restore the image that had been in the article for many years prior to the recent efforts was reverted by a different user, I Mertex I. I would encourage editors who have worked on this article to weigh in on what image they'd like to have here, whether a change is necessary, etc. I don't really care which file is used, but I do care that editors make a choice knowingly, rather than simply following the whims of a new editor who has shown little regard for policies or procedures. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

One consideration: The file that's been here for years shows Mickey in a pretty ordinary, facing-front shot. This gives the viewer a clear sense of the shape of the face etc. The replacement image shows his head sideways and tilted back, and the ears are in a rather odd configuration. In the discussion above, the shape of his ears was brought up as a significant point. I would lean toward the illustration that displays the character's shape in a straightforward way. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

This issue was resolved by reverting to the image that has been used for many years: 100px -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

New proposal for new image

I thought I'd pitch in, because I have a similar regard. I can see both of your points in this case. The version here for Mickey, to me, is too glossy. It may need a 2-D version. The tilted head, to me, is not too much of a problem, but I do see why it is. The same issue is slightly the same for the image used for Donald. His head is turned too. Mickey's can me more of a problem, because his ears are tilted quite oddly. I propose that we do try to find a 2-D version that shows him facing forward and that keeps his ears the same way that it is regularly. Let me know on my page if this helps. LocalContributor281 (talk) 16:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

I proposed that we use this image: frameless|200px. I won't add it immediately, until the all-clear has been given. If it's not suitable, then please delete the file. Thank you. LocalContributor281 (talk) 18:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

It seems there is a significant confusion here. I have added a section break to indicate the resolution of the previous issue. I never voiced a concern about the image that is currently used: 100px

I think the current image is worthwhile. I see no problem with the ears (that problem was with the replacement image, which has now been deleted. The current proposal seems, from my perspective, to address a problem that does not exist. However, it introduces a new problem, evident in the source links for each file. The current image appears to be a genuine image of Mickey Mouse from an official licensee of the Disney brand. The proposed replacement is from a fan site. It is not a genuine image of the character, and it may very well violate copyright or trademark in itself. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Technically, the same issue is for the image used for Minnie. The image that is used clearly states it as "clipart". Therefore, it is not official work. The image I provided may have been a 2D image of Mickey from Disney, because it did not come from a fan-art base nor is it clipart. LocalContributor281 (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

If your want to discuss images on the Minnie Mouse article, the place to discuss that is Talk:Minnie Mouse.

The disney.fandom.com site I linked is the link you supplied as the source when you uploaded this image. Were you mistaken when you listed that as the source? If so, what was the actual source, and what caused the mistake? (The image is, in fact, at that link, so it doesn't look like a mistake.) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:40, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I tried looking from the fandom where the original source came from, but it doesn't say. Also, the image is used on multiple websites. LocalContributor281 (talk) 21:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

According to the fandom, the images of Mickey actually came from Disney themselves. So I believe that it's not fan-art. LocalContributor281 (talk) 17:24, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2020

The voice actors section in the infobox needs to be fixed right away, for Jimmy MacDonald. He didn’t voice Mickey until 1968, according to the sources in the “Portrayal” section in the article, it states that he voiced the character until his retirement in 1977. 2600:1000:B051:A91E:8882:7E83:EDF1:E3E4 (talk) 17:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 01:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/obituaries/james-macdonald-84-mickey-mouse-s-voice.html 2600:1000:B079:9F49:E8D3:1146:3D01:14B6 (talk) 21:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2020

Ficboy (talk) 21:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I would like to add something to the "Pejorative use of Mickey's name" section of the Mickey Mouse article specifically a scene from the 1994 French English-language movie "Leon: The Professional" where the antagonist Norman Stansfield said to two NYPD officers who were asking him about what happened when he killed Mathilda Lando's family, "I haven't got time for this Mickey Mouse bullshit!". Since "Demolition Man" already contained a similar quote, I think it is appropriate to add the former quote here.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2020

The voice actors section in the infobox needs to be fixed right away, for Jimmy MacDonald. He didn’t voice Mickey until 1968, according to the sources in the “Portrayal” section in the article, it states that he voiced the character until his retirement in 1976.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/obituaries/james-macdonald-84-mickey-mouse-s-voice.html

2600:1000:B021:3B06:B160:79D5:F89A:4D1D (talk) 13:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Disney and MacDonald both voiced Mickey until Disney's death. Source was used to correct MacDonald's retirement date. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse's name

LocalContributor281 has changed the character's name in the introduction to "Michael Theodore "Mickey" Mouse", and says that there are reliable sources that back this up. What are they? — Toughpigs (talk) 04:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2021

Ryan Webber needs to be removed from the voice actors section in the infobox, because there is no source that states he voiced him in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Plus, someone shared the info that says it on IMDb, but according to it's Wikipedia policy, IMDb can not be used as a source to provided info. Therefore it needs to be removed right away. 97.33.64.61 (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:24, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2021

The same user keep continuously adding Ryan Webber in the voice actors section again, for the third time again. He also keeps continuously useing IMDb as a reference for the info, which I mentioned before IMDb can’t be used as a source. 97.33.64.228 (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2021

In the "Theme parks" section should add a mention of Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway attraction at Disney's Hollywood Studios. 173.14.169.29 (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Y Done J850NK (talk) 19:03, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021

After the last sentence in the intro section to Mickey at the top of his page talking about his characterization changing, I think there should be some note of his further change in characterization starting with the 2013 Mickey Mouse series created by Paul Rudish, where Mickey's character has been further changed to be more zany overall, with all of his former "nice-guy" traits being pushed further to be comedic instead of sincere, as well as his sense of mischievousness being incorporated more- almost comparable to SpongeBob SquarePants in terms of how he acts. Cmac2173 (talk) 22:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. And what should this note be, and which sources do you have to support this? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox image

The provenance of the present infobox image is known, and it is a clear and typical illustration of the character. Despite prior discussions above, in the last year-plus I have not yet seen any argument of why this image is insufficient to illustrate the subject of this article. But yet again, a user has attempted to change this image to a different one of unknown provenance, and has also again cluttered up the file history of the existing image with alternate images for unknown reasons. I have reverted, but for the benefit of anyone watching this article I wanted to leave a note here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Peteforsyth, a different image has since been uploaded by WhatAMelon35. The only issue I have is that part of his shoe (or what has to pass for a shoe) is missing because it overlapped with a line Mickey was standing on. I added the line Mickey was standing on, but WhatAMelon35 reverted me. It's easy enough to "complete" the shoe. Should we do that instead? Or we go for https://media.donaldduck.nl/m/iyt8jovuwrka.png/duckipedia-mickey-mouse_kopieren-png.png. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I might have accidentally cropped the shoe too much and that could be the cause of this problem. I will be sure to fix that and I apologize for the reversion. What-A-Melon🍉 (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

WhatAMelon35, in the source the shoe and the line Mickey is standing on overlap. You crop the line, you crop the shoe. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:44, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Uploader is a serial sockpuppetteer, seeking to add their own artwork to prominent articles. Now blocked. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:16, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Peteforsyth, are you referring to LocalContributor or another puppeteer? I thought of it, but the style didn't seem to match entirely. Then again, WhatAMelon35 seemingly partially copied my style so it's hard to tell anyway. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Alexis Jazz, or do we revert the image that was originally shown a few months ago? The shirt is probably the only common problem I see. However, it matches closer to his American appearance within Disney, plus the shirt is often substituted in some forms of media, such as comics, in lieu of simply just his trademark shorts. It also matches the original set of images that were uploaded by Grapesoda22, whose images were up for a few years before this issue. Crunchydough (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

For a better understanding, I'm referring to this image: 1 Crunchydough (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Crunchydough, various uploads from Grapesoda22 are unsourced and I replaced several of them. There's plenty more unfortunately. File:Mickey Mouse Disney.png is sourced to https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/0/77/907978-topolino.jpg so.. it's unsourced. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Understandable, my bad. Crunchydough (talk) 17:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Alexis Jazz Wait a second, how would it be unsourced? Do you mean that the original uploader of the image from Comic Vine didn't provide a link when uploading? Crunchydough (talk) 18:00, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Crunchydough, can't trace it back to Disney or any other official outlet, so it's unsourced. I could upload my own fanart to Comic Vine so it's not a source. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:07, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

2013 Voice of Walt Disney

Walt Disney died on 1966. How it is possible a died person to voice a cartoon character?

Maybe a Ghost?

No, Instead the 2013 Voice was actually a archived-recording only. Adriem915 (talk) 02:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Theodore?

The article states that Mickey Mouse carries the middle name "Theodore", but cites no source. I have been trying to find an original source for this name for some time now, but the search has been completely fruitless. Several "list articles" around the Internet repeat the claim, but none of them seem able to tell where that name came from. I think this article should make an effort to track down the original source, and until it happens the "Full name" section should be given a "citation needed" tag. Codraroll (talk) 11:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

A source has now been added, but it's merely a "how to collect toys" guide published in August 2021 which cites the full name without any reference in a small "general facts about Disney characters" paragraph. I would not consider this source reputable, it is likely just parroting a claim found online (possibly this very article). Is there any procedure to demand a more reputable source or remove the claim entirely if no such source can be found? Codraroll (talk) 11:34, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

The section in question has now been reverted to "Full name: Mickey Mouse" with a "Do not change without reference" tag. Codraroll (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Mickey

I love Mickey but it is confusing me on who was the firs actor of Mickey Mouse 2.29.82.254 (talk) 17:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

In the infobox, Walt Disney is listed as the first person to voice the mouse.--JOJ ^Hutton 18:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh

I had no idea that Mickey’s name was Michael! 172.58.67.36 (talk) 01:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

This is not official information, to my knowledge. I have asked for a citation and tried to find a source, but as far as I can tell, "Michael" is entirely unofficial, and "Theodore" seems to be made up entirely. The official name has only been "Mickey" since they decided not to go with "Mortimer", which was very early in development. Codraroll (talk) 08:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

The information seems to originate in some Mickey Mouse comics. It appears in this 2006 comic story, for example. So it's not actually "entirely unofficial". That being said, it's a rather obscure piece of trivia, so I suppose it might be a bit… fancrufty to put it in the infobox (though I'm not an expert on the etiquette for Wikipedia pages about fictional characters). --Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 17:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, that story was only ever released in France, in French, and was penned by French authors, and it's the only source for the name I've been able to dig up. I find it more likely that the authors might have taken a couple of liberties that their editor let them get away with, and that the information was not authorized by the Walt Disney Company centrally (never mind the fact it's not in English). After all, if Mickey had had an official middle name approved by the company, it would have appeared elsewhere than a single throwaway line in a foreign-language comic fifteen years ago. For instance, Donald Duck's middle name (Fauntleroy) has made multiple appearances from time to time since it was first mentioned (at Walt's suggestion, no less!) in a 1942 short. As far as I'm aware, Mickey has not had other names mentioned in such capacity. There is the 1942 short Symphony Hour where he conducts an orchestra and is presented by a radio announcer as "Michel Mouse", and likewise an episode of the recent Mickey Mouse shorts where he undergoes a temporary personality change and insists on being called "Michel" for a short while, but I wouldn't consider either of these brief mentions to be an official alias. More like a "fancied-up" version of the name when the situation calls for exaggerated pretentiousness. Even though a comics author (or translator) might occasionally have gotten away with a small change or two, "Mickey" remains the only name to be used consistently by Disney's own sources. Codraroll (talk) 00:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

As I said, I don't want to insist on putting the name in the infobox. It's a rather obscure piece of lore, fitter for a Disney/Disney Comics Universe Wiki than Wikipedia.

However, I do want to say that I find your framing of "unauthorised" "getting away with something" rather odd. Certainly it's not a part of the "brand image" of Mickey Mouse, but that's not the framing where his "full name" is a meaningful question to raise. Mickey-the-brand-icon, which is the topic where the details acknowledged by Disney's central offices are relevant, does not have a full name, because he's barely a character in any real sense; Mickey-the-fictional-character, the subject of the works of Floyd Gottfredson or Romano Scarpa, has a fleshed-out world including all sorts of detail not individually vetted by the Disney branding office because they are irrelevant to it. Relatives, a house address, a job, details about his childhood. "Michael Theodore Mouse" for a full name falls easily in line with the latter, and I don't see why it should be singled out as somehow "illegitimate". The comic author wasn't "getting away with something", just adding more "realistic" detail to the Mouseton mythos as has always been the comics' M.O. — it seems to me in the same realm as comics establishing the name of Donald's childhood home, Uncle Scrooge's birthday, and other such things.

I also don't see that it constitutes a "change", small or otherwise. It is evident, if one considers Mickey in sufficiently realistic Watsonian terms for his "full name" to be a meaningful question, that "Mickey Mouse" is not a full legal name — the name Mickey is a shortened form of "Michael". The default assumption is that Mickey's legal name, if he has one, must be "Michael Mouse", with "Mickey" as a nickname. The middle name Theodore is not as self-evident, but it's not as though it contradicts any particular Mickey media to propose that he does have a middle name, which may as well be Theodore. It's not a "change", just clarifying an area that the basic "brand image" Mickey bio simply does not address. --Scrooge MacDuck (talk) 13:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

What does it take for something to be considered lore, though? Especially in a setting with so many contradicting background details as the Disney Comics universe? Is one single mention by one tertiary source enough? Is the fact that one story in French once mentioned a middle name for Mickey sufficient to forever attach it to the library of knowledge about the character? In English, no less? The Disney comics universe is very loosely defined at any rate, with many details that are effectively only true within the individual story. Consider how many different tales have been told about how Mickey met Minnie, for instance. Some details change all the time, like various home addresses, the precise nature of some family relationships (for instance in the Italian comics 'verse, Scrooge is the sister of Grandma Duck, in the American comics they are generally considered unrelated), and backstories are generally a hot mess no matter what. Stories generally make up stuff to fit that one tale without regard for implementing it into the greater setting. For what is possibly the most extreme example, just look at A Goofy Movie where Goofy has a son all of a sudden. Or DuckTales 2017, where April, May, and June are said to be clones of Scrooge.

But of course, some details are more "official" than others. It is generally repeated that Scrooge is Scottish, that Donald grew up on Grandma Duck's farm, that Mickey's occupation is a private investigator, that Minnie's cat is named Figaro, and so on. These factoids have been applied with consistency across several stories by several authors and have been firmly established in canon (although the occasional story may still deviate from it).

Until it is used more consistently by other sources, I would consider any middle name for Mickey as a one-off, single-story factoid, like the endless conga line of single-mention great-uncles of Goofy. And only relevant to the French name of Mickey anyway. It was made up by one author once, but does not seem to be accepted or repeated by other sources in the 16+ years since it first was mentioned. In other words, it remains a single-use gag that did not impact any later works, and might as well be considered contradicted by all the times Mickey have been addressed only by the name "Mickey Mouse" even in legal settings such as courtrooms or when signing contracts, where the full name would naturally be called for. I would not consider it worthy of mention other than of the type "this one story once suggested a middle name for Mickey". Codraroll (talk) 16:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

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first apparition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_Crazy 181.23.204.120 (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2022

Have the first words displayed on the page to be Mickey's full name (Micheal Theodore "Mickey" Mouse), instead of simply Mickey Mouse Bulenyulen (talk) 21:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Not this again. "Michael Theodore" is entirely unofficial. It was used in one comic that has only been published in French. Every other source gives Mickey's full name as, well, "Mickey Mouse". That's it. No more. Codraroll (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

wow 12.148.170.249 (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Just thought this will be a good detail Bulenyulen (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Recoil (talk) 22:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Are Mickey and Minnie married?

I remember hearing that Walt Disney said in an interview that Mickey and Minnie are actually married. Is this true? If so, the info box should have Minnie as "spouse" instead of "significant other". And vice versa for Minnie's article. Abuelo456 (talk) 22:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Change primary image to Public Domain image

Being that general practice on Wikipedia is not to use a copyrighted image when a Public Domain one will do, I suggest we alter the main header image from the current copyright protected version of the character to the version depicted in the 1928 short "Gallopin' Gaucho" as it includes Mickey's iconic white gloves.

This would serve both as an appropriate application of the basic principle of Free Information as well as a cogent statement that, fundamentally, Wikipedia too is a public resource made possible in no small part because of the Public Domain. 65.158.230.84 (talk) 18:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree we should change it, but the "Gallopin' Gaucho" depiction is likely to be deleted shortly because it enters the public domain on January 1, 2025 (It was registered in 1929). How about the Steamboat Willie depiction? Like the one at File:Mickey Mouse.svg? that one is pretty iconic on its own. Next year we could change it again to the 1929 depiction. aaronneallucas (talk) 20:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Please take a look at the file discussion going on here. DMBradbury 22:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know there is no public domain image that will serve the same purpose of showing the reader what a modern illustration of the character looks like. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

The FFD close statement says "Whether this image appears in the infobox, or in the body of the article is an editorial decision outside the scope of FFD." The discussed file's WP:NFCC rationale should also be accordingly modified. I am personally in favor of moving the modern Mickey's picture into the body of this, as the Steamboat Mickey can identify the article subject well. NasssaNser_talk 16:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Changing the image, side-stepping the vote because it was specifically talking about WP:NFCC#1, without holding a separate discussion seems inappropriate. I think reverting the image and holding that discussion rather than unilaterally making a change would be better here. DMBradbury 21:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. If you disagree with changing the image, feel free to revert and discuss. NasssaNser_talk 09:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2024

Jmv1985 (talk) 03:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse colored

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 16:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Should we change the textbox image back?

Most people know Mickey Mouse through his current design. I don't even know why the image was changed besides Steamboat Willie and all the other shorts being in the public domain. SpriteSens (talk) 03:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:NFCCP the fair-use rationale for using a copyrighted image relies on it being irreplaceable. Since the original design became public domain, that's no longer the case. But it would make sense for the article to include the newer design somewhere where that is itself the topic of discussion. UpdateNerd (talk) 06:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

If anything I kinda like the current head image since it's the original Mickey Mouse that Disney and Iwerks created during the rubber hose days of animation, so there's that historic factor. And while this image of Mickey Mouse is no longer the only image as a head candidate, it's still important enough to be in a later section of the article as an appropriate illustration. The placing of both these images are good as is.

By the way, should we have to reduce the amount of fair use images down the road I'll push for the same modern image to be kept, since it's a better showing of Fred Moore's design than the Fantasia screenshot. Carlinal (talk) 18:30, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Grammatical error (second sentence)?

"...co-created in 1928 by Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks. The longtime icon and mascot of the Walt Disney Company. Mickey is an anthropomorphic...". The error is in the abrupt placement of the period in the second sentence of the entire page. ScriptGeez (talk) 05:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)