Talk:Military career of Audie Murphy/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 09:27, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:27, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• No DABs and external links good.
• Pictures appropriately licensed.
• I really don't see any need to list his marksmanship badges in the infobox and they're not really notable.

Done. — Maile (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Why is the EAM the only medal/campaign ribbon to be abbreviated?

Corrected. — Maile (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• How many arrowhead devices did Murphy get for participating in amphibious assaults?

Expanded detail - only one arrowhead. The combat stars with the European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal totaled 8 (one silver and three bronze). — Maile (talk) 00:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Maile, one silver, four bronze stars and one arrowhead is the correct count. Several sources have it wrong, but this is the correct number per the US Army's official list. Roam41 (talk)

Thanks. — Maile (talk) 11:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Expand the lede to properly summarize the entire article.
  • Don't forget this.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
• There is no such thing as the US Army Reserve Corps; it's just the US Army Reserve.

Corrected. — Maile (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Texas has the 36th Infantry Division, not the 3rd and don't capitalize ranks unless they're coupled with a name.

These appear to be typos in the lead, as I don't see them anywhere else. Corrected. — Maile (talk) 12:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Put all dates in standard US military DMY format.

Done. — Maile (talk) 12:04, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• The Axis completed their evacuation of Messina before the US secured the port.

Corrected. — Maile (talk) 20:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Rephrase: Platoon soldier Swope wounded the other three,

Done. — Maile (talk) 20:20, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• What's the point of the quote immediately following?

Removed. — Maile (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

You might want to look at the other quotes. I noticed that in all the editing and splittng articles of the last few months, some editor changed he format on the quotes. The result is that the reader didn't know who was being quoted or why, and it looked odd to me. I fixed the format on all of them. — Maile (talk) 21:19, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I could generally figure it out by context, but more specific attributions would be a good thing. I'll take a look at your changes.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Lieutenant Colonels do not command companies.

I have slightly reworded. You refer to Michael Paulick, who was also an adviser on To Hell and Back. This comes from a 1955 interview Paulick did with a Dallas paper. Every reference I find about him says he was Lt. Col at that time (WWII). While Paulick is referred to as Lt. Col in other books mentioning Audie, the interview is quoted in both Harold Simpson's book on p. 95 and Don Graham's book on pg. 53 It was at Cisterna that I came upon Audie's company with the company commander wounded, and only two inexperienced lieutenants left. I took command of the company, and we continued to attack for three days; fewer than 30 men survived.— Maile (talk) 13:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Since he was the commander of 1/15 that makes more sense.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• This is awkward: Murphy then crawled out alone close enough to destroy the tank

Fixed. — Maile (talk) 21:04, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Trim the excess verbiage regarding the awarding of the PUC. Every member of 1/15 Inf at that time received the PUC.

Done. — Maile (talk) 13:09, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• Why would German officers man a machine gun? More likely just ordinary German infantrymen.

Changed to German soldiers.— Maile (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• The type of Oak Leaf Cluster only matters if you've got more than five, in which case a silver one is used for each multiple of five.

Corrected. — Maile (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Rephrase this bit: The United States additionally honored Murphy's war contributions with the American Campaign Medal, the European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with arrowhead device and campaign stars, the World War II Victory Medal, and the Army of Occupation Medal with Germany Clasp. These are just "I was there" awards and every soldier who participated in those actions received those awards. Separate the foreign awards given to Murphy individually from those given to the unit that he was in.

Done. — Maile (talk) 22:24, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• I'd drop the bit about one of several personnel who reported to Ft. Sam Houston; I'm sure that he wasn't one of a few people on that date. Just say that he reported there on that date.

Done.— Maile (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• More details of his time with the TxNG is needed. Was he assigned to troop units or did he spent his time there as some sort of poster child? One promotion in 16 years is highly unusual.
  • This may be the biggest stumbling block for the review as it's probably hard to source. I'd suggest contacting the TXARNG directly about his assignments with them.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I have a good source for this. Harold Simpson's book devotes 13 pages to this, and he contacted the military for his sourcing. — Maile (talk) 22:47, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. — Maile (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Add the missing period after Champagne's middle initial.

Done.— Maile (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Put the title of Whiting's book in title case to match your other cites.

Done. — Maile (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll get back to you on all of this. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Sturmvogel 66, please give me a few days on this. All I have left that you asked for is to expand the part on the national guard, and to expand the lead. As you may be aware, this article was split from the main article. Before the split happened, multiple editors participated in preparing that article for FAC. It is apparent to me as I go through this that there are gaps in the narrative, and that some formatting happened that threw some things off. I need to correct multiple issues. I'll post here when I've finished everything. Thank you for your time on this. — Maile (talk) 22:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I have rewritten the Texas National Guard section, and I think it's what you were looking for. I still have to expand the lead and check a few other minor things. — Maile (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget to link 36th ID in the lede and not to capitalize major there.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. But I still want to work on expanding the lead. — Maile (talk) 22:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Have no fear; there's no way that I'd let you get of this without doing so!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• 1–11 April From 1 to 11 April...

Done. And others like this. — Maile (talk) 22:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• During the second world war, they were capitalize the name of the war.

Done. — Maile (talk) 21:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• I'd rephrase the whole bit about deactivation and reactivation and say something like "they reverted to state control"

Done. — Maile (talk) 22:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• What does this (9301) mean? Infantry battalions don't really have an Intelligence Office, but rather an Intelligence Section of which the S-2 is the leader. It's usually only 3 or 4 men total.

This is a puzzle to me, also. But since you don't know what it is, either, I'll just remove that. Simpson wrote the 9301, and the scan of Murphy's military records have exactly that also. — Maile (talk) 21:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Don't really care about who else trained the recruits with Murphy so rephrase those two sentences to say that Murphy was assigned to teach those skills to a batch of soldiers. And then explain that Berry was one of Murphy's fellow instructors; it's a short enough quote that it could be integrated into the text rather than set off in a quote box.

Done. — Maile (talk) 22:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• assignment changed from aide to Captain, Infantry. Better to say that he was relieved of his assignment as aide.

Done.— Maile (talk) 21:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• You don't make a "special waiver appeal", but rather request a waiver for the requirement.

Done. — Maile (talk) 21:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Sturmvogel 66, I added a section on his death because it was so tied in with the military career. You tell me if it's appropriate to be there, and/or if I have handled it correctly. The talk page of the article has a discussion with user Gwillhickers. While I don't agree with his sourcing, he might have a point about the need to mention the death. Let me know. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 00:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
  • It looks fine.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
• Sturmvogel 66 I haven't forgotten about this, about expanding the lead. Before that, I'm doing a sync on this article with all the other Audie Murphy articles, to make sure they match in details and general formatting. I also want to double check some library sources on some details, and right now I'm traveling. It will get done, but realistically it's probably going to be a couple of weeks. Can we just put this on hold until then? — Maile (talk) 17:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Sure, no problem.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Sturmvogel 66, I have completely rewritten the lead and gone through the article again to try and catch all the little things. I also punched up the homecoming section and the post war trauma section. I thought it might be good to show the reader that Murphy dealt with more than just the garden variety nightmare or two. I'm finished with this, so please let me know if anything else is needed. Thanks for your patience on this. — Maile (talk) 00:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)