Talk:Mirna El Helbawi

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 13:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Mirna El Helbawi

• ... that Mirna El Helbawi (pictured) discovered a way to reconnect people in Gaza to the internet through donated eSIMs and her organisation Connecting Humanity has connected over 200,000 people so far? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/esim-cards-internet-gaza-palestinians
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki
  • Comment: Any suggestions to improving the hook are very welcome, explaining why Gaza has no internet access etc. I will expand the article in the next days, I just don't want to miss the deadline.

Created by John Cummings (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

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John Cummings (talk) 00:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC).

• Article is new enough, neutral, and within policy. Cited thoroughly to reliable RS. Hook fact is interesting and verified to the cited reference. The hook length is fine. The only issue is that the article is far too short of the required length at WP:DYKLEN. The current prose count is only 1,073 characters, and that is with a fully developed lead section. I need to see another 500 characters of text minimum added to the body of the article (i.e. new factual content in the body not the lead) in order to pass both the WP:DYKLEN and WP:DYKCOMPLETE criteria. Once that is done, this hook can be promoted. Otherwise it is a pass on this article for being a WP:STUB which is what it currently is. Also 1 QPQ is required by the nominator before this hook can be approved. 4meter4 (talk) 08:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Z1720 thanks very much for the review and the ping, I'll work on this and ping you again. My only question is do you think its better for the DYK to be about her or her organisation Connecting Humanity which I also wrote an article for? John Cummings (talk) 19:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

The review was conducted by @4meter4: I'll let them answer the question. Z1720 (talk) 00:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok thanks, sorry for the confusion. Both articles are now long enough for DYK and were made on the same day. I don't know which would make the best DYK hook, my guess is actually the organisation rather than the individual would be better but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to swap them, its mostly the same info in both. The main info I want to get across is what they're doing is innovative and they're helping a lot of people. John Cummings (talk) 13:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@John Cummings I see that Template:Did you know nominations/Connecting Humanity has already been approved. It looks like you nominated each article separately which means we are currently in process to run two different hooks, one for each article. If you were wanting to do a single hook for both articles, you would have needed to do a "multi-article nomination". At this point it is easiest to just run a separate hook for each article, rather than try to bundle them for procedural reasons.4meter4 (talk) 02:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much 4meter4, really appreicate your help, I'll just do two :) John Cummings (talk) 13:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Article has been appropriately expanded. All DYK requirements have been met. This hook can be promoted. If an admin wants to pursue talking about running a single hook rather than two hooks (see Template:Did you know nominations/Connecting Humanity which would be the other article nom involved) I leave it to them to do so. However, running two hooks would be fine and would probably be less of a headache for procedural purposes.4meter4 (talk) 02:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• @John Cummings and 4meter4: The QPQ still seems outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 05:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• I have tweaked this nomination to be a multi-hook following the discussion here and at WT:DYK. As the proposed hook here already included the name of the second article, I bolded that without adjusting anything else in the hook. I also added Connecting Humanity to the DYK nompage link template, and added the DYKMake credit. If there is a decision to revert, these three changes are all that needs to be undone. I prefer the joint hook myself, and don't think there will be any procedural issues. 2 QPQs are still outstanding, both can be added to this page. CMD (talk) 05:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bagumba I did two DYK reviews yesterday which I approved, I'm sorry if I didn't do something I was supposed to do to tell you I've done them, I can't find any instructions anywhere about how to show QPQ. Template:Did you know nominations/Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki and Template:Did you know nominations/Kentucky Educational Television. Please ping me if I missunderstood or need to do anything else. I would like to keep these as two separate hooks if there is no set process to decide, happy for them to run with a gap if that helps. John Cummings (talk) 10:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@John Cummings: The QPQ link is typically just added to the Reviewed field in the nomination (above) once they are done, or leave a comment here. Sorry, perhaops you already communicated it somewhere else, but it helps uninvolved people (like myself) to formally note it somewhere in the nom if we just happen to check after the fact.—Bagumba (talk) 11:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Regarding whether to run it as one hook or two, see CMD's comment above. They had taken the liberty to combine it for you. If you have since changed your mind, you can revert his changes. Holler if you need help.—Bagumba (talk) 11:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bagumba thanks so much for the explanation, is there anything else I need to do or is this now good to go? I'd like to do it as two hooks, I think this one should go first and then I can request to delay the other one till I can make it different enough. If you could separate them I'd really appreciate it, messing with templates I don't understand is not a good idea :) Thanks again, John Cummings (talk) 13:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@John Cummings: CMD commented at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Multiple_article_hooks/nominations that if you were to uncombine them, they really need to be more unique hooks. Perhaps you want to try to get a hook with different content approved first, and then we can decouple this one? It's your choice.—Bagumba (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again Bagumba can you tell me if the reviews I did yesterday fulfill the QPQ requirements for this DYK? John Cummings (talk) 19:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Ticking again. QPQ was done by John Cummings at Template:Did you know nominations/Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki and Template:Did you know nominations/Kentucky Educational Television. As new to QPQ, these two cover the QPQ requirements for both nominated articles.4meter4 (talk) 19:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
  • John Cummings, as this nomination's hook is extremely similar to Template:Did you know nominations/Connecting Humanity's, I am not willing to promote both. Please let me know if you would prefer a single hook with two bold articles, or a single hook with one bold article (and if the latter then which article should be bolded?). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi AirshipJungleman29 thanks, I'm thinking about how to make the hooks different, I asked elsewhere that Mirna's article be run now and then Connecting Humanity be run later once I've made them different. Thanks very much, John Cummings (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Marking that the hooks need to be differentiated, and moving back to WP:DYKN. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: I had interpreted John Cummings to mean that this nom should run as is, but with "Connecting Humanity" unbolded, and that they would work on Template:Did you know nominations/Connecting Humanity further for a more unique hook there.—Bagumba (talk) 15:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh I see. Thanks Bagumba. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

4meter4, AirshipJungleman29, Bagumba I contacted Mirna and she very kindly provided a nice quality image, which I've added here, could one of you please just confirm the licensing so it can be included in the DYK? I don't know if any technical changes need to made to the page to add the image to the queue as well? Thaks so much, John Cummings (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@John Cummings I moved and formatted the pic for you above in the DYK nomination template. I don't have an instagram account so I can't check the licensing there. Someone else will need to look. If a problem does arise, the photographer can always release the photo under a Creative Commons license through the process described at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

4meter4 thank so much, it was just a lot easier and quicker for her to write a comment under her image on Instagram, I really wanted to make it as easy and quick as possible :) John Cummings (talk) 18:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help.4meter4 (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Biography

There's very little about her in this article - it's all about her project(which has it's own article). Secretlondon (talk) 07:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, it just reads like marketing material about her project to me 2620:10D:C090:500:0:0:4:7F5B (talk) 15:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)